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Technical => Driveline => Topic started by: BusyKiwi on January 08, 2009, 07:13:08 AM
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Hi all,
I got the aussie running gear in my standard van (3.3 and trimatic), I was told the trans used the original bedford mounts - it didn't, and was told the bedford auto shifter goes straight in - it doesn't.
Rather than reinvent the wheel, is anyone able to take some photos of the shifter linkage if you have a standard CF shifter on a trimatic box, also the trans mount mounting points on the body.
Much appreciated
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Busy, busy, busy...
You know better than that. Nothing ever bolts straight up. You of all people know that. ;D
We actually found it easier to convert the trimatic to a cable shift on mine especially as it was mid-mounted, and I used a Toyota Celica shifter. Really nice shifter too.
I've pulled all the running gear out of mine now but I still have the bits that we used to do the conversion. I can take photos if you like so you can see what was done. I then had a cable made up to connect everything by Melbar Engineering down here. They specialise in making up automotive cables and do a damn good job too!
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I thought of a cable but because the shifter is straight above the selector I'd have to do a S shape.
the front beam is factory OZ
Tell you what, this standard van is more of a pain in the butt than the custom
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Ok Busy, will take some photo's and upload tomorrow for you.
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ive got a jap shifter onto a trimatic in mine and mine is pretty strait forword mate i will take some shots of it 2moro and post for ya to if you like.
Cheers paddy
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trying to keep the original beddie shifter if I can
I have to stop spending money on this van, 250 for new front tryes, 200 for locks reco'd, 350 for trans rebuild ...
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gday busy i have that set up heres the pics hope they work let me know if you need a different angle..
(http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp38/westy1212/DSC09590.jpg)
(http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp38/westy1212/DSC09592.jpg)
(http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp38/westy1212/DSC09593.jpg)
(http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp38/westy1212/DSC09595.jpg)
(http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp38/westy1212/DSC09596.jpg)
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Hi Busy, sorry for late photo's been (busy). Will load photo's by them self if they do not load to a good size to view, this is on my van before I changed it to the overdive unit, it is factory setup for Trimatic and Holden 202 with CF shifter. The connecting rod is 20.5 cm long. Crossmember is also standard factory with the Trimatic. Hope this helps. Will have colour code for wires for factor 202 Cf tomorrow as soon as I find the book.
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Shame you're not local to Wellington. Was at the local pick-a-part this morning and they have a jumbo in there with a 186 conversion. I thought it was factory till I noticed the floor had been cut back a bit. The engine mounts look factory installed which is what threw me.
It uses the standard CF shifter but there is a really tricky linkage system that crosses under the floor and utilises a shifting point on the passenger side of the Trimatic.
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Sounds like the system you looked at was a trimatic with overdrive on it as they exit on the left hand side of the box.
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It's a shame it's all sitting at the wreckers. The trans looks to be in really good nick although that is more than can be said for the rest of the wreck.
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Thanks for the photos and info guys.
westy12, does your trans cross member mount have accessory holes or is it just the one set?
That orange or red wire going to the trans, is that the inhibitor switch?
Bas NZ, your trans cross member mount looks the same as westy12's.
When you say 20.5cm, is that point to point or overall length? I don't suppose you have the length of the trans rod arm thing, it seems I have a holden arm which is curved and not stepped out like these ones so will have to try make one
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It's a shame it's all sitting at the wreckers. The trans looks to be in really good nick although that is more than can be said for the rest of the wreck.
you should grab it, there is a short supply of tri matics out there, took me ages to find my one, i did bit of a deal on it but it still cost me $350.
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I actually sold my old one for $50 about 6 months ago. No-one was interested. The guy who bought it was just going to break it down for parts and scrap.
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Hi Busy yes overall length is 20.5cm (eg from arm to arm centre hole). Will measure both arm lengths when I get home from work tomorrow, the van was brought in from OZ as cab and chassie new with 202 and trimatic, but with the right length of arms and linkage rod you will be able to get the right set up real easy.
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Hi Guys,
Sorry to hijack your thread Busy but it looks like a bit of a Kiwi thing going here so just thought I'd mention Kumeu.
If any of you are looking at going to the Kumeu Rod Show this weekend were looking at having hopefully 10 or so vans there the whole weekend under the VANZ banner. We're setting up a bit of a display and promo so come and have a chat.
Cheers,
Garry.
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I'll see you there on saturday Garry, sadly without either of my vans - wasn't able to get screen done for custom one or able to get drive shaft done for this standard one.
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Ok Busy,trans rod arm is 5.5cm this is from hole to hole as this is the pivot point, this is the distance that matters, shifter arm is 110cm this is from the base of the shifter to the hole (pivot pont at bottom of arm) and as I said rod linkage is 20.5cm from pivot point to povit point (holes) the linkage rod has a ajustment thread of 5cm on the end, my linkage is set to the middle of this thread. Hope this helps :)
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Thats awesome, thank you so much. I'm off to make the lower arm and I should be sweet.
Then I can sit in it, make broom broom noises and change gear while I wait for my driveshaft
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Cool stuff. Hope the shifter linkage works out OK. Shame the other bits didn't come together in time. Never mind, good things take time. Wish I had some.
Look forward to catching up on Saturday. Hope the weather isn't too hot or wet. Just nice would be great.
Garry.
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well that turned to poo, made up the arm, adjusted the other and blam it didn't work :(
the shifter is right above the gear selector so may have to run a cable
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im running a cable from a trimatic to a b+m shifter with no problems mate
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gday busy sorry about the delay, when you say accesory holes im not sure what u mean, but the only holes in the crossmember are the mounting holes which are elongated. theres no other mounting holes for the crossmember to the chassis itself. the red wire coming down i have no idea about. by inhibitor switch do you mean that it wont start in drive etc? could be? or reverse light? if you want me to take measurements aswell i can...
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Hi Busy, why don't you move the shifter foward on the van floor is this posabile, my 202 is fitted to factory mounts so are dead the same as the bedford mounts (postion) no soild shifter is going to work when the are directley above each other you need to put some distance between them. Sorry I tell a lie again you can get this to work when the are above each other. Hard to explain in words so will draw a piture and post it for you, it is to make a sissor arm, eg bracket from shifter goes forward towards front of van another bracket pivots of this and goes back to the trans arm this gives the distance need between the to arms because both ends of the backets have a solid fix it does work, I did this many years ago when I fitted a V6 to a Transit. TRUST ME............ ???
Sorry forgot to say if my minds serves me right the arm going forwad from the shifter must have a soid fix to the shifter and be on a slight angle downwards and the arm attached to the trimatic lever must also be a soild fix on a slight upward angle the only part that moves is where these to solid brackets - arms join together. Think I have it right, will sleep on it. Cheers
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Dam can't get to sleep now, not sure if the two arms where soiled at each end, sorry may need to make a mock one and try it , Sh-t the more I thik about it they where soild, sorry but it does work one way or the other as I have done it THAT I AM SURE OF. :D
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id go cable, dosent matter about shift bein directly above then, plus u will have a wider area to play with.
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i thought i would ask in this thread instead of creating a new one...
im putting a 4 speed m20 in and i have looked at where the gear stick needs to sit and i see a problem.. that position works for the three speed but the four speed with its reverse is a different story.
the most obvious answer looks like you mount your shifter in the original position at the rear and rig up a dummy shifter with some sort of rod between the two so they act together.
anyone with this rig have pics? or if their is another thread that has the info could you provide the link?
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Gidday able
Our club secretary has done this conversion into his cf truck. He couldn't have the shifter come up out of the box as it would come up behind the cab of the truck so would make changing gear rather difficult. He runs a 3.3 blue holden commodore motor and a commodore 4 cylinder 5 speed gearbox. So being the clever bugger he is, he fabricated up remote linkage shifter that mounted to the bell housing and mirrored the movement of the shifter down the back.
Next time I speak to him I will ask if he can bring in the pictures and drawings of it so I can scan them and post them on here for all to see.
His system works very well, even down to the slight push down to engage 5th gear.
Will let you know how I get on, if this would be of use to you.
Cheers Jeff
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thanks cfjeff but lightning ben has a full set up he is wrapping in cardboard as i type. ;D
what your describing sounds like what i envisioned had to be done, i think someone posted a pic of something similar on here but buggered if i can find it.
you gotta love this site.
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Hi Guys....I have a 4 speed m20 in my van and i spent 2 whole days trying out this same idea but i failed ??? The real drama was the pushdown /across/and forward movement for reverse. I tried rigging up a tierod on the bottom of a dummy stick and welded to a square frame bolted to the floor. 3rd and 4th were fine but i had dramas with 1st and 2nd. So if some one can show a pic of a system that works i try it.!!! :) ;D
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as soon as i get the linkages from ben i will post some pics. before and after install.
hopefully cfjeff can get pics from the club secretary as well. looks like they are needed.
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With the M20 you can put the 4 speed speco shifter in the same place as the original 3 speeder use the 3 speed linkages on the forward gears, and one of the four speed linkages for reverse (this is assuming you are using a 4 spped speco from a HQ-WB) requires a little bit of modifying to get it all working - but its not rocket science.
Warren
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those pics would be handy warren.
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If I can get away from work before dark Ill take some
Warren
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at your leisure mate. some time this week is more then appreciated.
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Have a look in my gallery there in there now
Warren
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thanks again warren. im waiting on the pre bent linkages from ben.