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General Category => Members Rides => Topic started by: jesus_is_alright on October 17, 2010, 10:24:34 AM
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Hi, i thought i'd start my own Members ride topic, now that i'm actually starting to do stuff to my van
THE VAN
1978 SWB in White
Red 202 3 speed maunal
85000 on the odometer (maybe 185000 or 285000)
One owner, who i have the original sales docket to prove
Bought off ebay for $3050 (lucky cuz my max bid was $3060) in mid july 2010
Minimal rust and panel damage, runs and i even drove it home
THE PLAN (LONG TERM)
Minimal engine work needed, will still run the old 202
Celica 5 speed
Holden Salisbury Diff
Front Disc conversion
Jellybean Mags (15x10 on back)
Lowered?
Flare Kit
Paintjob and panel work (not sure on colour yet)
Full interior job
DVD screens and stereo
This will be my daily driver, so its economy and reliability over power and performance
I'm a sparky so i'll need somewhere to put my tools, but also want to use it for fun, don't be mistaken, this wont be a telstra fitout on the inside
PROGRESS SO FAR
Gutted and cleaned the van
Bought a Flare kit from Ben, thanks mate. This might not get fitted for some time though
Bought a 1984 Celica with a W55 5speed as a donor vehicle from a workmate for $200
Bought a set of 15x10 US Indy's off ebay, waiting for delivery
Going to do a good 'ol service this afternoon (Plugs, leads, points, distributor cap, condenser, fuel air and oil filters, oil change, radiator flush)
SHORT TERM
Exhaust
Tyres
Trans and Diff
Then i can sell my barina and do the rest
I may include a costing sheet on here shortly so you can see how much this is all gonna (hopefully) cost
Thats all for now
Cheers - Aaron (Azzman)
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Ok so after 2 sets of dodgy leads, we got her going again, but there is a flat spot mid-rev range. Bummer. So she's out of action for a bit
On a brighter note, i've bought a set of 245-60-15 and 295-50-15 Mickey Thompson Sportsman S/T's from ebay and hopefully they'll come soon
also looking into a dellow conversion for the 5speed transplant
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post some photos mate.....
what mags are you having...
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Hey they're US Indys,
15x10 HQ/Chev pattern
3.5" Backspace
Should fit nicely with a deeep dish
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hubba hubba!1 mate they are beutifull well done,,,,
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Yeah, now just need to find some 15x7 or 15x8's for the front
Oh and these are the tyres. Obviously a generic photo as they don't look like 295's
I'll post pics when they're fitted on the rims
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jesus_is_alright, they are the mags i have on the back of my custom van, real nice
they turn up on ebay all the time, originally i got a set of 15x10 and 15x8 but offset was all wrong for the front as the bedford front is wider than the back (suspension widths) so settled on cheviots 14x8
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jesus_is_alright, they are the mags i have on the back of my custom van, real nice
they turn up on ebay all the time, originally i got a set of 15x10 and 15x8 but offset was all wrong for the front as the bedford front is wider than the back (suspension widths) so settled on cheviots 14x8
what offests were the fronts that gave you grief, and what should i be looking for in the way of offest?
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Got this from Dellow conversions today
Aaron
You will need the following items to fit the W series gearbox to the bedford
Bellhousing & pivot $365+ GST
pilot bush $25+ GST
clutch plate $125+ GST
thrust race & carrier $95+ GST
speedo cable $125+ GST
tailshaft slip yoke $145+ GST
($968 total)
Sound reasonable, or anyone know of any other conversions?
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$968 + the price of the gearbox!
i got a cheaper idea.
buy one of ebay for $200 gearbox and conversion.
they come up.
ben
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A lot depends on the van, are you going to flare the guards?
if not, then 7 inch on front and 8 inch on back are about the widest you can go (to keep in the wheel arch)
if so, depends on your diff, I'm using a jag diff and wheel adapters and with the 15x10 they come just a little wider than the front with 14x7
Ansen sprints (us indy) only came out in 15" so if you want to go 14 you'll have to go cheviot or similar. A lot of people can't tell the difference when looking at them so is good
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Also don't forget to take into account if you have drums or discs on the front, because discs will make the wheel sit wider out......... Well mine do any way.
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Same bas, my standard van has hq discs and with 14x7 and 205 tryes they just stick out the guards (am going to put rubber flares on for cert.)
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Hey guys thanks for the input
My 15x10's arrived today (very happy) and my M/T's are on their way
They are US Indy, which i think are the same as ansens, and i'm looking at 15's as the hopper stoppers disc conversion requires a 15" min
So in answer to the other question - discs
And as i mentioned i have one of ben's 5 piece flare kits
i'm more worried about having too much backspace and not clearing the driveline on the front
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Got this from Dellow conversions today
Aaron
You will need the following items to fit the W series gearbox to the bedford
Bellhousing & pivot $365+ GST
pilot bush $25+ GST
clutch plate $125+ GST
thrust race & carrier $95+ GST
speedo cable $125+ GST
tailshaft slip yoke $145+ GST
($968 total)
Sound reasonable, or anyone know of any other conversions?
CRS want $1240 for a similar setup
http://www.rodshop.com.au/trans_conversions/bh/bh-049.htm (http://www.rodshop.com.au/trans_conversions/bh/bh-049.htm)
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I think tall profile (60 series) on 15's might rub on the back of the wheel arch, you might have to cut it out.
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David, I run 205x75x14 the reason for the 75's is that I run 295x50x15 on the back and tyre hight is just about the same so can get away with one spare to fit the front and back, the down side is the 75's on the front hit on turning inwards so had to cut inside (BACK EDGE) of the flares, but all good now.............
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Got this from Dellow conversions today
Aaron
You will need the following items to fit the W series gearbox to the bedford
Bellhousing & pivot $365+ GST
pilot bush $25+ GST
clutch plate $125+ GST
thrust race & carrier $95+ GST
speedo cable $125+ GST
tailshaft slip yoke $145+ GST
($968 total)
Sound reasonable, or anyone know of any other conversions?
looking at http://holdenpaedia.oldholden.com/Celica_5_Speed_into_old_Holden (http://holdenpaedia.oldholden.com/Celica_5_Speed_into_old_Holden)
I know i need the bellhousing & pivot
the hilux speedo cable may be the perfect length for holden conversion, but what about bedford conversion?
i found one on ebay for $50
do i need a tailshaft slip yoke or can i use the one from the celica driveshaft and put it onto another driveshaft (bedford or HQ?)
and if anyone can tell me anything about clutch plate / thrust race carriers... i
apparantly a clutch plate for a lite-ace diesel van works
and "The Thrust-bearing is the standard Holden one for your clutch mechanism type as the input shaft on the Celica box is the same diameter as a Holden 6!"
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Quick update, i've got my mag centre caps and wheel nuts/ lock nuts from ebay, thankyou to lugnutking and autopartsonline02,
but i'm still waiting on my tyres from engine.master
My carby is all fixed, $150 later, and everything is now timed right, so i get to go pick her up again tonight.
I'm still looking into gearbox and diff conversions, and have decided to mock up everything in "the old van" to make sure it works, then transfer it to "the good van" to prevent any cock-ups. Sound like a plan
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Finally, got my tyres, man are they big. But before i fit the 295's to the 15x10's im gonna see how much it costs to get the US Indy's polished. Any ideas of how much i should pay?
Also i got an offer of $1000 for my (crap) van, provided it still starts and runs, so i'm gonna check it out tomorrow. If so, looks like i just paid for my disc conversion
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My carby is all fixed, $150 later, and everything is now timed right, so i get to go pick her up again tonight.
Been enjoying driving her again
Oh yeah, before when i went to start in the morning, i needed full choke and had to pump the gas, and usually only kicked into life after about 3-4 tries, now that everything is new, quarter choke and a bit of gas and she starts first time.
There is still a flat spot in the middle of the rev range, anyone had this problem or know what it might be?
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do you have a standard or modified cam
standard or bigger than standard carb
extractors or standard exhaust manifold ?
if all standard, check your vaccum lines, especially vaccumm advance of dizzy
if not standard, are the 3 suited for each other, cam has to suit carb and exhaust ...
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do you have a standard or modified cam
standard or bigger than standard carb
extractors or standard exhaust manifold ?
if all standard, check your vaccum lines, especially vaccumm advance of dizzy
if not standard, are the 3 suited for each other, cam has to suit carb and exhaust ...
I have standard cam and carb as far as i know, and extractors (going to get a new exhaust in a few weeks)
my vaccum lines are f**ked according to my bro, there is one that was just sucking up dust as it wasn't connected to anything. there's a bolt jammed in it now to stop it sucking crap.
this is also on my to do list, didn't think though that the problems might be related. (sounds kinda stupid of me when you spell it out)
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AAAH glasshopper. . sometimes one cannot see the forest for the trees. ;D ;D
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Hey skip long time no hear, you must be getting over your scare at the bathurst 1000, yeh we saw you jump out onto the track near the cutting, almost cleaned up skaify and lowndes, nice move to avoid the collision. lol ;) ;D Just a suggestion skip, they tell me tassie is nice around bathurst time. ;D ;D ;D
george. ;D
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LOL got some ace close up photo,s but george ;) ;D ;D. . . yes have been busy as,last 7 weeks down to melbourne for 4 weeks, then home, then up to coober pedy (nice place ahhahahaha) over to prominant hill mine, (drove my first road train AAAwesome), back home, over to yarrawonga, then home. . phew, nice to put the old jumpers up,n pull the scab off a coldie, missus asked me who i was when i walked in ??? ??? an yes i had bedddrawl symptoms till i logged on again. hey jeez.. does the flat spot continue to kind of choke if you put your foot down more or does the throttle respond again giving you acceleration?
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hey jeez.. does the flat spot continue to kind of choke if you put your foot down more or does the throttle respond again giving you acceleration?
Nah, put your foot down and it just struggles through untill revs finally pick up. I'm used to driving a little 5spd Barina so i know i'm shifting too early (into 3rd around 40kph) but hopefully the 5speed conversion will make this flat spot less noticable
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Gonna get my 15x10's fully polished before i fit them to the tyres, ($65ea)
Still looking for a set of 15x7 or 15x8 US Indy 5 slots for the front
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5-Speed conversion
The Azzvan is now in the shed, with nothing from the engine back. Trans, driveshaft - gone
Flywheel is off getting re-faced, a replacement pressure plate is on order.
My box of goodies from Dellow arrived (about $1400 worth) and all looks like its gonna fit
The 5 speed just needs a clean and then its ready to bolt up, oh and a custom crossmember??
HQ diff needs to be picked up and then that can go under, and as soon as my wheels are back all nice and shiny, tyres can get fitted to them
As the sale of the old van fell through (again, thanks to another ebay time waster) my $$$ are drying up. (P.S its still for sale for $1000)
Still looking for some US Indy's for the front and untill i get them, i dunno if a Hoppers disc kit will fit
Pics coming soon
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Hey, i've updated my gallery, with a few pics of the start of the 5-speed conversion
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Bought a set of 15x10 US Indy's off ebay, waiting for delivery
did you get them from perth....
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Bought a set of 15x10 US Indy's off ebay, waiting for delivery
did you get them from perth....
No they came from somewhere in victoria. I did see someone in WA selling some 15x10's polished up, but the backspacing was way wrong
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So the 5 speed is in, but have not installed the crossmember or cut the hole in the floor for the shifter. The new shifter will be right in line with the strengthening rib that runs level with the front of the handbrake so i'll need to re-enforce that.
And i've got a HQ Salisbury diff, but its a 2.78 ratio, which i think with the 202, will not have enough power. Any thoughts?
Also is there much difference between a Banjo and Salisbury diff?
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you want to look for a 3.5:1 ( holden SW had them) would be ok with 5 speed.
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My vans running a 202 with celica 5 speed, diff ratio is 2.94. Shes a little bit slow taking off but not too bad
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My vans running a 202 with celica 5 speed, diff ratio is 2.94. Shes a little bit slow taking off but not too bad
what sort of economy and top speed do you get
also do you have any photos of the gear lever from inside the cab?
thanks
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she runs on straight gas, 80lt tank i get about the same kms when was on running petrol 250ish, she's a thirsty one but costs me half as much to fill up on gas. top speed cant tell exactly (speedo is very out) but well over 100. i can take a photo if ya want, dust off the old camera, havnt taken any photos for ages.
alex
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you get 250ish from a 80lt gas tank? how thirsty is that 202? had much work done to it?
is that a 100lt but fills to 80lt or a 80lt tank that only fits 60lt?
and how much is it to fill a 80lt gas tank these days?
thanx
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i can take a photo if ya want, dust off the old camera, havnt taken any photos for ages.
That would be awesome, if you get real keen could you take a photo of your crossmember and the underside of where the shifter goes through the floor?
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SA Boys looking for a disc conversion, you may be in luck
I dropped into Kent Automotive in Woodville this arvo and was enquiring about getting my beddy drums re-drilled for HQ Pattern (still looking at this option)
But the guy i was speaking to there had done many HQ disc conversions back in the day, and is going to look for me tonight if he still has the plans for them.
Hopefully he does and then he can churn out a fresh set for me (and any of you other SA boys) who can't fit the massive Hoppers 300mm kit
In other news, i snagged a set of 15x8.5 US Indys, completing my set, (just need to polish these ones to match the others)
My 15x10's fit on a Banjo diff, but i'm considering running spacers just to give them a bit more clearance
Celica conversion is still in the process of being done
Diff transplant is about to happen
Oh and i've taken out a loan to get my wife a new car and the panel and paint work done (hopefully) on my van
Now i just need to sell my 2 cars to repay the loan
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Nice big 15x10's the diff has now been pulled out of the old van, and will get a clean and paint before putting in the new van, this excercise was purely to see if the HQ diff was wide enough.
I think i'm gonna run some thin spacers for a little extra clearance
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thats a nice fit for 15x10s, love those mags
is the front track the same though? front can't be wider or you'll run into problems
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thats a nice fit for 15x10s, love those mags
is the front track the same though? front can't be wider or you'll run into problems
is the track measured from the centre, inner or outer of the rim or tyre? i never know
the front mags will be 15x8.5 with 3.25" backspace and 245/60/R15 tyres.
I'm working on the van tomorrow and i'll take some measurements to find out
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the track is measured at the centre of the tyre at proper tyre pressure Cheers Neil
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hey the 202 came out of my mates torana, got a big cam, yella terra head, extractors, its an awsome motor. 100lt tank takes 80lts, cost about 35-40 bucks to fill. i really miss my driving my van, i got a canery on her 5 weeks ago on my honeymoon, gotta do alot of rust work and other shit to get her back on the road. im driving the wifes beetle now
but anyway i got a photo from my phone of the crossmember i modified for the celica will take more pics when the weather gets better in melb, been pissing down all weekend
(http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm48/aka_5000/IMG_0088.jpg)
alex
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Thanks, i've printed the pic off and i'll take it to my brother-in-laws today as were looking at doing a stack of work on the van, including starting on the crossmember. I think it's been about a month now since i've had mine on the road, and yeah, it gets depressing, but there's light at the end of the tunnel
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Love the wheels / tyres mate, the deep dish was what i wanted for my van, but budget dictated the final size, but with wheels i can get them made to what i want one day when the budget allows, without changing bodywork. What colour are you going to paint your van. The right colour with the wheels will look awesome.
george.
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Thanks, i've printed the pic off and i'll take it to my brother-in-laws today as were looking at doing a stack of work on the van, including starting on the crossmember. I think it's been about a month now since i've had mine on the road, and yeah, it gets depressing, but there's light at the end of the tunnel
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( a month :'( try 11 yrs :'( :'( :'( not funny craig....and I've got three of the critters..
ahh but it's been a good 11yrs ;)
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Ha! I was thinking the same thing myself. If I had got depressed after one month I would have committed suicide long before now. ;) ;D
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is the front track the same though? front can't be wider or you'll run into problems
i think youll find the front track is supposed to be wider than the back.
im pretty sure they come out standard front wider than back.
ben
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Thanks, i've printed the pic off and i'll take it to my brother-in-laws today as were looking at doing a stack of work on the van, including starting on the crossmember. I think it's been about a month now since i've had mine on the road, and yeah, it gets depressing, but there's light at the end of the tunnel
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( a month :'( try 11 yrs :'( :'( :'( not funny craig....and I've got three of the critters..
ahh but it's been a good 11yrs ;)
get your act together buddy...... ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Ok so i posted this a while back in a different thread, but i'll put it here again for my record and now that i know all the figures
W55 Trans
First Gear: 3.566:1
Second Gear: 2.056:1
Third Gear: 1.384:1
Fourth Gear: 1.00:1
Fifth Gear: 0.85:1
Holden Diff
3.36:1
Tyres (295-50-R15) have a diameter of 676mm (http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html (http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html))
So Using the calculator on http://www.osella.com.au/gear-ratios.htm (http://www.osella.com.au/gear-ratios.htm)
Gives 2250rpm @100kph
and 2500rpm @110kph nice!
And furthermore, from http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_HJ_technical_specifications.htm (http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/holden_HJ_technical_specifications.htm)
Maximum power of the 202 occured at 4400rpm so
46kph in 1st
80kph in 2nd
119kph in 3rd
165 kph in 4th
195 kph in 5th
haha, as if. If i get a cruisy 110kph i'll be happy
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Edit to the previous post, i think i'm shifting around the 3000rpm mark, not 4400, so that changes things
30kph in 1st
55kph in 2nd
81kph in 3rd
113kph in 4th
133kph in 5th
That seams far more reasonable.
I know this is just all calculations and in the real world things are different, but numbers are fun
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is the front track the same though? front can't be wider or you'll run into problems
i think youll find the front track is supposed to be wider than the back.
im pretty sure they come out standard front wider than back.
ben
I'm pretty sure I read in the manual last week that front and back were the same - 1650mm from memory. I remember coz the diffs on both my vans come in at 1450 and I can't figure why that would be if you keep the Beddie axles when slotting in a new center.
I'll check tomorrow when I get home.
Garry
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According to The Book we've got;
Front track (all models) - 65 in (1651mm)
Rear Track single wheels - 65in (1651mm)
Rear Track dual wheels - 73in (1854mm)
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Ok found some cool mirrors at http://stores.ebay.com/cubepai (http://stores.ebay.com/cubepai)
dunno which ones to go for (if any)
(the first two pics are of the same mirror, the third pic is a different style/size
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OK, a quick update,
although nothing major has happened since my last post, a lot of little things are going on to make way for the big things
Phil from KENT Automotive is worth his weight in gold, he is re-conditioning my front Beddy drums, whilst re-drilling them for HQ pattern, also attaching the 'ear' type center caps to all my mags, as they didn't come with any fixing screws AND He's hunting down some wheel nuts for the front, as they need to be slightly different to the back ones, and organising new bearings for the front.
The HQ diff is in the back of the Azzvan with new bearings, re-co drums, new shoes and all the rest, and (although i've not seen it for myself) it fits perfectly with my 15x10's and just an 8mm spacer
I got a chrome air filter and rocker cover for chrissy which will go on soon, oh and my 15x8.5 are all polished up ready to have tires fitted and thrown on the front.
Like i said, nothing exciting, but its slowly coming together.
My due date for completion is now Sunday 15th May for the Kernewek Lowender and the Classic cars Cavelcade of over 700 vehicles which i'll be entering for hopefully the first of many times.
So its 133 days and counting
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For my own reference more than anything, the following sites gives some good measurements and layouts for a rock'n'roll bed/ seat arrangement, pity they're all for kombi
http://creative-engineering.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=166&Itemid=26 (http://creative-engineering.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=166&Itemid=26)
http://www.marcle-leisure.co.uk/information/rock-n-roll-hinges.htm (http://www.marcle-leisure.co.uk/information/rock-n-roll-hinges.htm)
http://www.thebusstop.com.au/busstore/products/83/47/rock_andamp_roll_hinges/ (http://www.thebusstop.com.au/busstore/products/83/47/rock_andamp_roll_hinges/)
http://www.justkampers.com/shop/rock-and-roll-seat-brackets-pair-j11561.html (http://www.justkampers.com/shop/rock-and-roll-seat-brackets-pair-j11561.html)
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I don't know if this is any use to you but I posted a rough drawing of the setup in my last van. L-shape lounge that pulled out to a double bed.
http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=8&g2_itemId=26500 (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=8&g2_itemId=26500)
Click on Download Document
Garry
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thanks, yeah i'm still thinking of ideas, the other option was like, um hard to explain, i'll draw it and get back to you
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This could be a temporary solution to adding more seating
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Current-model-Toyota-HiAce-bus-passenger-seats-/160526648004?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item25602242c4#ht_500wt_1156 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Current-model-Toyota-HiAce-bus-passenger-seats-/160526648004?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item25602242c4#ht_500wt_1156)
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Take a close look at the landcruser 100 series rear cargo area seats. My truck is an 8 seater, 3 seats in the cargo area, the beauty is you can pull the seats out with just a pull of a lever, also the seats are fitted with their own seatbelts, so there is no need to source that hardware. What they are worth, who knows. But the positive is that they are transport approved, so as long as you fit the floor mounts to spec an engineer should plate it with no hassels.
george.
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This could be a temporary solution to adding more seating
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Current-model-Toyota-HiAce-bus-passenger-seats-/160526648004?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item25602242c4#ht_500wt_1156 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Current-model-Toyota-HiAce-bus-passenger-seats-/160526648004?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item25602242c4#ht_500wt_1156)
The seat has know form, would not like to sit on it for to long......
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If i can get to my garage, bloody rain, i will get some happy snaps of the cruisers removable seats. What i have done is had some waterproof carry bags made up for my seats by my trimmer. When i pull the seats out i stick them in the carry bags, throw them on a shelf in the garage, and they stay safe and dry, ready for when i need to use them for the grandkids. I suppose the best part of these seats is, for a stock van, is you can throw the seats in to transport people, then pull them out for moving beddy parts around.
george.
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See, i kinda want a rock'n'roll style seat that flips into a bed really easy, but then if i'm honest, how often will i use it as a bed, once or twice a year? the open cargo space would be useful every other weekend, for all manner of things and i could just keep a swag in the back...
Looking at the frame on those hi-ace seats, i might not have enough headroom in a swb
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Here is an idea, if you do cruiser seats, the drivers seats are low profile, rear can be removeable at the flick of a lever, and then put an air matress in the back when the seats are folded or out.
george.
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Ok so for $170 for 2seats (seats 4) i thought this was too good to pass up.
Now according to the NCOP, the minimum required leg room is only 600mm. Great i thinks, that means two additional rows of seats will fit in front of the wheel arches. But when i go to place them, not even I, a shortish bloke, would fit in the seats, so the plan is to mount the 3rd row sorta on top of the wheel arch, and the 2nd row half way between that and the drivers seat. Will post pics soon
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I scored a set of seats out of a spectron van the back one fits between the arches and tilts forward on the front seat mounts (folds up first) and the middle seat rotates 180 and they fold out together to make one BIG bed .
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I scored a set of seats out of a spectron van the back one fits between the arches and tilts forward on the front seat mounts (folds up first) and the middle seat rotates 180 and they fold out together to make one BIG bed .
Pics? its kinda hard to visualise
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ive got 2 double seats also to go in my van. they will go in the one row in front of the wheel arches and nly get used occasionally so they will be removable with the impact driver and just bolts.
i no have a double seat up front too so it will end up being a 7 seater.
cheers
ben
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Have a look Here (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=8&g2_itemId=2616) for pics of the spectorn seats fitted in my van
Warren
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Cheers for the pics, looks great. I thought mine was pretty snazzy with reclining backs, but cup-holders an armrests, thats a whole other level of comfort
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Mate, brilliant I havn't seen them before, I think you will start a new trend
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Hit a little snag, the hiace seats i have bought have a seat belt built into one side-complete, but the other seat only had the clicky bit of the belt. The belt sash itself is mounted to the van and wasn't included in the sale. And i've been told buy a wreckers that there is a $10 000 fine for anyone selling 2nd hand seatbelts. Bugger. So i'm on the lookout for 2 seat belts for current model hi-ace.
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Dropped into Rare spares yesterday and bought/ordered as many rubbers and seals as they make
Windscreen rubber, 2xfront door seals, front window inner and outer seal (but not felts), cargo door seal, rear barn door seal kit (But not window rubbers) = $550
They said they can make up barn door window rubbers, but i'd need to take in a sample from my van for them to copy
Also still trying to decide on mirrors, i definatley want chrome, and i saw these listed as Kombi mirrors
at 5 3/8 x 6 3/4 or 136x171mm they are nice and big and will offer good visability, but how the hell does the mounting point work?
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Hey arron, mate i am using the bucket seats from my donor VP for the passengers, i also took the seat belts out, the belts i am using to mock up everything, then i am going to buy new ones for the final fit. If you care anything about your safety and that of your passengers you will do the same thing, in the scheme of things its a small price to pay. I should know, if i was not wearing my belt when my courier van was hit head on, i would i shot straight through the windscreen. Only fools skimp on safety, its not a case of if it will happen, but a case of when.
george.
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Ah this makes more sense, but man kombi's are shit
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Hey arron, mate i am using the bucket seats from my donor VP for the passengers, i also took the seat belts out, the belts i am using to mock up everything, then i am going to buy new ones for the final fit. If you care anything about your safety and that of your passengers you will do the same thing, in the scheme of things its a small price to pay. I should know, if i was not wearing my belt when my courier van was hit head on, i would i shot straight through the windscreen. Only fools skimp on safety, its not a case of if it will happen, but a case of when.
george.
Hey i agree, thats why i'm trying to find the right belts to fit, i don't want damaged belts, but when you consider the driver and front passenger seatbelts are over 30 years old, 2nd hand belts will still make these the safest seats in the van. If i'm going to pay $200+ for 2 new belts, i might as well sell the seats i just bought and start hunting again for something with all the seatbelts included
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If memory serves me right the Kombi had a recessed threaded "nut" built into the door that the mirror screws into.
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If memory serves me right the Kombi had a recessed threaded "nut" built into the door that the mirror screws into.
So if i can get a nut (i think 15mm thread), drill a 15mm hole in the door, and nut it up from the inside, i should be in business yeah?
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Yep, should work as long as the "bolt" part of the mirror isn't too long as it may interfere with your windows when they wind up and down. Doub't it though from the look of your pics. From what I can remember the mirror comes with a rubber sealing washer so you shouldn't have any water issues either. Let me know how you get on as I reckon those old style mirrors are the way to go, especially in chrome.
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yeah i'll post pics, there's a whole heap of old style chrome mirrors on the ebay store, but these are by far the biggest, which having a windowless van, i'll need all the visibility i can get. plus i can put one of those convex stick-on mirrors on without covering half of the regular mirror
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I just made a 'Van To Do List' and just when i thought i was getting close, it looks more daunting than ever. Here it is, some things might not make sense, but they are little reminders for me
Pick up seal kit, Pick up wheels/brakes/hubs, Find Seatbelts, Fit front brakes, Fit front tyres, Fit all wheels, Trans crossmember, Shifter penetration, Driveshaft, Brake lines, Hand brake cables, Speedo cable, Trim U bolts, Trans Fluid, Diff Fluid, Brake Fluid, Re-fit fuel tanks, Chrome Rocker cover, Chrome Air cleaner, Vacuum lines, Heater Fan, Washer lines, Door Mirrors, Strip cabin floor, Mock up rear seats, Calibrate speedo, New exhaust, Remove windows, Strip seals, Speaker pods & Head unit, Side door, GUT, Get paint & Panel, Re-install everything, Re-install windows / rubbers, Fit New Rego plates, HQ spare, New carpet
Then... enjoy
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About 2years work there man Better get buisy
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About 2years work there man Better get buisy
Well i've been off the road for 2 months, and i only have 4 months till i have to be back on, so yeah, i'm gonna be a busy boy
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Google Britax they do the mirrors, you could get that mirror with a convex glass that way you won't need a stick on one
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I went down to Service SA yesterday to pic up my re-printed rego plates. I figured if i'm doing up the whole van, i don't want a set of 30 year old faded and dented number plates ruining the look.
Plus i couldn't think of anything smart arse to use as a personalised plate.
Only bummer is they require me to return the old plates, dang, two sets of plates, two white vans and only 1 renewal fee sounded like an idea, but i guess they thought of that too
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So pulled out the front seats today, the drivers was rusted through, so i'm kinda glad i pulled them out, it coulda been dangerous otherwise. Also cleaned all the gunk off the cabin floor (i Assume it was a similar product to dynamat used back in the day, we worked out a plan for the crossmember, and i worked out the original shifter boot will work in the new location. (See picture) Australia day should be a big day, getting the wheels and brakes back on, will take lots of photos to post
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Just had to pay $120 to get some custome made wheel nuts for my front mags, sometimes bargains on ebay aren't bargains
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So i got my 15x8.5's fitted with 245-60-R15's and they look so skinny they look like pizza cutters. I havn't put them on the van yet, but i've been looking at 15x10's for so long i've gotten used to them. Hopefully once i fit them on the van they will look a bit more meatier.
For the record, 245-60-15 have an overall diameter of 26.6" (675.6mm) and 295-50-15 have a diameter of 28.8" (680.7mm) only 5mm or less than 1% difference in size.
Tomorrow should be a big day, i'll post lotsa photos tomorrow night. Fingers crossed i'll get the Azzvan off blocks and back onto its wheels. And then all thats left is everything
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You can also gain/loose some width in the type of rubber choosen as the rounder side walls tend to make the tread smaller
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You can also gain/loose some width in the type of rubber choosen as the rounder side walls tend to make the tread smaller
Yes very true. Whilst in the tyre shop, they had some 245-(30or40)R17's which should be the same width as my 245's, but they looked a lot wider on the tread width because of their smaller and stiffer side-wall. I'm kinda glad because going from a 5.5" rim on the front to a 8.5" is probably going to make non-powered steering a lot tougher. Will certainly try to avoid dry steering as much as possible
Anyone with big wheels on the front have difficulty in carparks?
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Anyone with big wheels on the front have difficulty in carparks?
anyone with small wheels on the front have difficulty in car parks?
...yes:) i recon the offset makes almost as big a difference to the weight of the steering as big wheel little wheels do. the more centred the wheels are over the bearings the lighter the steering will be.
put some standard wheels on and the steering will be light as. have you ever driven a standard lwb? steering is so light its not funny!!! look at the geometry of how the wheels are a negative offset and actually sit straight over where the bearing are taking the load.
cheers
ben
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have you ever driven a standard lwb? steering is so light its not funny!!!
cheers
ben
No, never driven a LWB but i was surprised just how small a turning circle the standard SWB has.
Good point about the offset, My fronts are 8.5 wide with a 3.25 backspace so i think thats an offset of 1" positive.
Also read somewhere that bedford vans use the same type of steering as the London taxis- Ackerman? Steering
...The numbers required to calculate the turning circle explain why a classic black London taxi has a tiny 8m turning circle to allow it to do U-turns in the narrow London streets. In this case, the wheelbase and track aren't radically different to any other car, but the average steering angle is huge. For comparison, a typical passenger car turning circle is normally between 11m and 13m with SUV turning circles going out as much as 15m to 17m.
Read more: http://www.carbibles.com/steering_bible.html#ixzz1C5BNOnBW (http://www.carbibles.com/steering_bible.html#ixzz1C5BNOnBW)
Looking at a brochure from the UK CF site, a SWB beddy has a turning circle of 34ft 7in or 10.5m and a LWB of 40' or 12.2m
Considering my Barina has a turning circle of 9.9m and my wife's old Magna had a horrid turning circle of 11.2m i think these numbers are more than acceptable
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g,day fellow ozzie vanners have a great mid week day off DID YOU KNOW the short beddie is the same length as a GEMINI sedan!!! AZZVAN your vans looking great mate have we got any interested S,A,vanners interested in a meet up ???
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is easier to turn while moving so you can bounce steer out of tight spots
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So photos as promised are in my gallery as i couldn't drop them into the post
http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=8&g2_itemId=26928&g2_page=2 (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=8&g2_itemId=26928&g2_page=2)
So got all the brakes done, tyres and wheels fitted and even got my chrome air-cleaner on
The 15x8.5's on the front i fear are too wide, they are slightly wider than the rears (outside of tyre to outside of tyre) and they don't quite fit under Ben's Fibreglass flares. I'm also worried they look a bit dicky. Please look at my gallery and let me know your thoughts / offer advice. Perhaps i'll need to go steel flares. Busy did you have photos of this?
Plus now i'm down to about $5500 to get all my flares, bodywork and paint finished. I fear i'm going to run out of money before that all gets finished though. Glll
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Azzvan....Yep front mags are to wide for the front maybe hunt around for 2x narrower mags, :-\ but the rears look sensational ;D ;D ;D ;D gotta fill those arches some how.
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no photos but a description
easier to explain in an auto.
if you pump the brake while in drive (or reverse) the van will bounce, when the brake is off steer then, so brake off, steer as brake on, brake off, steer as brake on .... after you've done it a couple of times it will become second nature
with a manual its the clutch as well, but brakes still the bouncer (unless your on a hill)
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or you mean photos of my flares?
I don't have many for a how to look but Garry (sundowner) does at http://www.vanz.net.nz/workshop02.html (http://www.vanz.net.nz/workshop02.html)
the bedford track (axle width) is wider at the front than the rear, on my standard CF I have 14x8 at the back and 14x7 at the front and the front is a fraction wider still (don't tell anyone though).
On my custom van I am running the same 14x8 on the front as on the back of the standard CF to even out the 15x10's but this has made the van really wide, standard van is about 1960 mm wide, custom is a little over 2.1m.
I haven't driven the custom van around yet (just up and down the drive) so am hoping the front wheels are going to be ok for body rub as the standard CF rubs (on edge on mudflap) on half lock
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think you gone a bit too wide on the front bro! dont ask me to move your van on the bitcherman your vans steering is really gunna build some decent guns in your arms:)
i ever tell the story how i had a hx panelvan, 400 chev, 245s on the front. i gave a girl a drive of it. she went to turn out of a carpark and told me the steering was locked!!!!!!!!!! of course it wasnt locked it was just strong arm steering ha ha:)
ben
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Hey Aaron, i have just been looking at your pics, make sure you take pics of the flares when you start to do them, looks like it will be an interesting build. What colour are you going to have as a final colour on the van ? If it were me, with all that chrome on the van, bumpers, wheels, handles and so on, i would be going with a very bright crisp white, i recon the chrome and white would really compliment each other. I am not a big fan of white, but in this case i think yes. Looking Good.
george.
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Hey guys, thanks for all your fast replies:
Busy: Bounce steering sounds hard in a manual, buy i'm sure its worth a go, and yes it was the flares i was wanting photos of and the link you gave me was spot on thanks, My front track is also about 50mm wider at the front, which i don't know why its an issue as i'm sure lots of front will drive cars are wider at the front, if people argue with me i'll have to find some proof
Ben: yes armstrong steering is the way to go, i've gone from a tiny Barina with power steering to a big van without power steering, so why not go the whole hog and make it as hard as possible to steer. Apart from carparks, i think it'll just take a bit of getting used to.
George: Dark grey, the current falcon grey to be exact. Hopefully the chrome will look nice with the darker colour. White is not an option as i'm a tradie and every van in the world is white. I don't want anyone mistaking mine for a company van.
I'm going to chat to a body shop soon, will let you know the results
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Ok today brought me back down to earth with a giant thud.
Went to a few paint and bodywork places. One said he's not touching anything for at least 6 months, and was very unhelpful indeed.
Another one said the cheapest car his working on is a $13000 job (panelwork only), and most of his paint jobs, although impressive were $16500 (and this is for cars, not vans)
Another place said he can paint it and stay in my budget, but in the nicest way possible told me it would look shit and not last long at all.
Finally i went back to the place i originally had in mind, and his reply was "bring it in, we'll talk about it, have a look and go from there"
He doesn't give a price, just charges by the hour, but i'm hopeful that if under my paint the body is immaculate, i might get off under budget, but if there's bog hiding in there...$$$
His concern was the legality of my wheels and tyres, so i'm ringing some engineers (link below for my reference) to make sure that they are legal. If not, he won't touch the van as he feels he is wasting his time doing work that will ultimately have to be undone when i find out my tyres and wheels are wrong
For the record, the front track is 48mm wider than the rear
http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/pdfs/personal_transport/light_vehicles_pdfs/chartered_engineers.pdf (http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/pdfs/personal_transport/light_vehicles_pdfs/chartered_engineers.pdf)
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Hey aaron, mate i dont know your budget, but my quote was about $10,000. That included body and paint, my suggestion would be this, b4 you do anything , get your whole van sandblasted, thats when you will know what your looking at. At this point you are just pissing in the wind. I can almost garrantee you will find bog and crumpled up newspaper hidden in there. These guys are always going to over quote like it is now just in case they find crap under the paint, so if you want a more sensible quote then this is what you need to do. You have to remember this is one massive canvas, approx 2 cars in one van. If you want to make the paint stay on, then the time spent in prep is the garrantee.
As for your wheels, if you are going with flares, you should not have a problem, but i am guessing there is something else that we dont know that these guys may know having seen it in the flesh. The hourly rate maybe the way to go, that way you can control the purse, or get a fixed price in writing, all my work has so far been done on an hourly rate, i just pay them at the end of the work day, that way there is now money outstanding. Whatever you do, bedfords are not a cheap project, mainly because of their size, and age.
george.
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for panel and paint, try get a price for the job rather than by the hour, there are many hours involved in panel and paint and lots of unexpected hours can easily pop up.
2 pack/pot paint isn't cheap, just etch primer is about $90 a litre and then harder on top, then bog (about $75 a 3 litre tin) then primer, sandpaper, masking tape .... materials alone will cost a few grand.
If you get someone to do it as a homer try get it done all at once, doing it in stages requires more materials.
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gees they must be buying damn good bog at $75 a 3lite tin. up uuntil just recently when the price went up i was paying $25 a gallon (3.7 litres) for bog that was for 4 tins at a time thou.. which im sure body shops would be buying..
george.
its illegal to put wheels on a car if they are more than 1" bigger than standard wheels that came with the car. beddies came with 6" wheels right? so legally your only allowed 7" wheels without requiring engineering. 10"s ummm thats almost double the width of standard wheels.
ben
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on my tyre plackard in my van it states the tyre size as 6 inch and 8 inch and the maximum tyre width is 1.5 times the biggest tyre size for comercials and 1,3 times for passenger cars my van is already approved for 12 inch wide tyres but the wheel offset must be no more than 1 inch off neutral offset
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on my tyre plackard in my van it states the tyre size as 6 inch and 8 inch and the maximum tyre width is 1.5 times the biggest tyre size for comercials and 1,3 times for passenger cars my van is already approved for 12 inch wide tyres but the wheel offset must be no more than 1 inch off neutral offset
Yes, this is what i'm going off, 1.5times the standard tyre for commercial vehicles.
but the rear 15x10's are 49mm or nearly 2 inches positive offset, and the fronts are 32.5mm or about 1 1/4 positive offset. If these wheels are not allowed, why do they make them? just a question
Thanks guys for you paint/panel opinions. I'll probably strip the paint by hand to save money and see what i'm up against. The body is pretty straight so fingers crossed there are no surprises under the paint
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yep size is ok but off set is wrong i am running 14x8 on the front and 14x10 on the rear with a flair kit but took me a while to find the rite of set rims
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The reason you can get away with 10's on the back is that Beddies can have dual wheels, add the two rims plus the gap plus the allowable difference and technically you can go bigger than 10's
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14x8 and 15x8 have different offset, try 14x8's
when I got my 15x10's from USA I also got 15x8.5's but the offset of the 8's had the same effect as your having now.
I don't believe you can get a different offset in the 15x8's
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If you are ordering new wheels you can order them in any width/offset unless they have a restrictive sales range
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Hey Benny, i am going with a set of 15x8s all round, am i ok with those, or will i have a problem.
Hey aaron, mate back in the early 90s when we did my van the first time, we rubbed the body down by hand, looked good, when i started sandblasting last year, we found all sorts of uglies, this is just my opinion, nothing beats sandblasting / sodablasting. In just a few hrs you have no secrets, all is exposed. Good luck.
george.
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Ok done a stack more research and found out the following: Note these are just inferences i have made from looking at a tonne of info from the net so please do not take them as fact
The standard beddy wheels were a 5.5J 14 which basically means 14x5.5's with a 1.5" posative offset (38mm)
Now for a light goods/commercial vehicle you can increase the track up to 50mm, not 25mm as in the case of a passenger vehicle.
So here's the gotcha: increasing the track 25mm a side (Total 50mm) would give you a wheel with a 13mm negative offset or approx 1/2" regardless of wheel size and width
So any mags with a 0mm offset or any negative offset cannot be used
ie 15x8 with 4.5" backspace, (0 offset as 8"wide mags are actually 9"wide from face to face) illegal
15x7 with 4" backspace (0 offset) illegal
15x8.5, my current fronts with 3 3/8" backspace (32mm negative offset) illegal
15x10, my current backs with 3 3/8 backspace (49mm negative offset) illegal
Now i know because the beddys had dual rears, you can run 15x10's but to keep the track the same you would need to keep the standard diff and have a backspace of about 6.8" insane
And finally, having a much narrower holden diff and the 15x10's i'm currently using means yes my rear track is within acceptable limits but "If a solid axle from another manufacturer is used, the wheel track may be increased by 50mm beyond the maximum specified by the vehicle manufacturer for that particular axle" so again its a fail
As far as my understanding goes, because of the shit choice of wheels used by Bedford any mags will increase the track by >50mm and therefore not comply without an engineers ticket, by the way anyone know what they cost?
Rant over
PS for some reason i cannot upload photos but this link shows positive negative offset. I actually thought they were the opposite way around but either way my point is still valid
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=55025&d=1201915548 (http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=55025&d=1201915548)
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Aaron
I tried attaching your picture to a post but got a "folder is full" message, so I uploaded it to my album and inserted the link in this post.
(http://www.buga.com.au/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=29133&g2_serialNumber=1)
Warren
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Now i know because the beddys had dual rears, you can run 15x10's
where has this info come from?
cheers
ben
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Now i know because the beddys had dual rears, you can run 15x10's
where has this info come from?
cheers
ben
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/pdf/NCOP11_Section_LS_Suspension_Steering_V2_01Jan_2011_v1.pdf (http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/pdf/NCOP11_Section_LS_Suspension_Steering_V2_01Jan_2011_v1.pdf)
"If replacement single wheels are fitted to a goods vehicle originally fitted with dual
wheels, then the tyre width must not be less than the sum of the widths of the original
two tyres fitted on the dual rims"
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nice to know cheers
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Ok had a phone call returned form the engineer today which kinda ruined everything, short story is i'm still gonna do it, it's just illegal
You cannot increase the track width without replacing the axle from another vehicle, which is deemed strong enough to support the new wheel, tyre, track combination
Even then it requires engineers cert. In the short, deep dish mags are VERY hard to get certified, at least on a Beddy anyway.
So my method now, is as long as it looks kinda legal, just hope like hell no-one asks any questions
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Anyone know how much paint it takes to cover a SWB? also how many coats etc? I have no idea
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good question, I have to buy paint in the next couple of weeks,
I'm only guessing, but I was planing on buying (2x4ltr) or (1x10ltr) + clear coat.
I'm hoping that 3-4 coats of colour should be good enough.
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Cool, what color you going? gonna do it yourself or get someone else to?
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I'm going to do it myself, still deciding on colour.
Originally I planned on doing it Burgundy again, but.... maybe not
I Have 2 other cars, they are both burgundy, so maybe a different colour would be a good change.
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I'm going to do it myself, still deciding on colour.
Originally I planned on doing it Burgundy again, but.... maybe not
I Have 2 other cars, they are both burgundy, so maybe a different colour would be a good change.
Nothing wrong with burgundy - look left! ;D
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Looking through lots of photos of other vans and i dunno if its just me, or does my van look too high? I've done nothing to the suspension, just changed the wheels
Now my old tyres were 185/80/R14's on the front and are now 245/60/R15's and the back had 195/80/14's and are now 295/50/R15's
So the tyres are now 24mm/9mm taller (Front/Back), so i've only raised my van by 1/2 this (12mm/4.5mm) F/B
Does it look higher to you guys? Should I lower it? Can you notice 12mm higher ride height?
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Looks like we are going 4x4 :D
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Hey Aaron, i had the same problem, it took me 4yrs to finally work out the color, here is how i did it, this works for a show van, and might work for you. I looked at what my vans theme was going to be, stance and rake, was i going to airbrush. I looked at thousands of cars and trucks from all over the world, and then i saw an F650 truck, and the paint was a perfect match for what i was building. I then tried to photoshop it and finally about 18months ago i settled on the color, now i just need to find the money to do it. ;) You guys do a better job of photoshopping then me, but the idea is to combine all the things you want and see how they look. I know when i do get it finished it will blow your mind, everything will look to belong.
george.
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does rust look to belong?
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depends benny, are you going for the beverly hillbillies look, yeh whatever turns you on. Actually there is a technique that is being used at the moment, you spray a coat of one sort of paint on your vehicle, let it dry, then spray on a chemical, there is a reaction and after a certain time you have a rusty paint job without the ventilation holes. Saw it on a hotrod show a while back, probably not for me, but the effect was awesome, and pricy.
george.
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re jesus is alright, it all depends on what you are going to do to the van, are you going to put an interior in? customise the body? add accessories? If so then consider that it will lower with the weight of the interior and other modifications you do to it, so if you are just starting your project then perhaps worry about lowering later. Then due to the difficulty of lowering a beddy you could always go the way of custom vans back in the 80's and lower your wheel arches to the desired height. Just a couple of thoughts that might help
Cheers Jeff
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lower the front 4 inches and the back 6 inches she will look better mate
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Some more photos for you all
The fronts are definatley too wide currently, shown below
so i photo shopped them in about 30mm and they look much better
now i just have to find mags with an offset to do this in real life
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What bolt pattern you running The commodor wheels I have for mine have a 5.5 backspace
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And heres some more views, again the front wheels have been photoshopped in 30mm a side which is how things will end up
PS i've started pulling off bumpers and mirrors ready for panelwork but they will all go back on, hopefully chromed
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What bolt pattern you running The commodor wheels I have for mine have a 5.5 backspace
They are HQ bolt pattern with 3 3/8 backspace
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Yeah there's the prob Would make the steering heavy
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I can get brand new 15 x 8's with a 4.5" backspace from the US for $129US each. Bargain
only prob is it'll cost $400 to ship to aus regardless of if you want 2 or 4
so for me to buy two, it works out around $333 per wheel
if someone else wanted two, the price drops to $233 per wheel
anyone interested check out
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270706970214&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270706970214&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
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Way too much money for wheels for a beddie My16x7s cost $300.00 complete with tyres with plenty off tread When the disc front is done the track will be the same as standard that is from center of tyre to centre of tyre
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i recon your van looks good like that:)
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Way too much money for wheels for a beddie My16x7s cost $300.00 complete with tyres with plenty off tread When the disc front is done the track will be the same as standard that is from center of tyre to centre of tyre
Currently, my rear is 2000mm from outside of wheel to o/s of wheel, whilst my fronts are 2060mm from o/s to o/s
So if i can pull them back in 30mm a side, it'll look a tonne better, foul the guards less, and although my track will still be 50mm (25mm per side) wider at the front, this will only be because of the difference in wheel widths.
As i mentioned in earlier posts, i still don't believe this to be 100% legal, but my plan is:
1) don't drive like a dickhead to attract cops attention
2) make sure i have the obvious covered ie. no bald tyres, flares covering wheels etc
3) know the NCOP well enough to be able to recite all the guidelines that you have abided by and hope they don't know the rules as well as you do
4) keep a spare set of wheels that aren't 10" wide so you can swap them over if need be
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Hey Aaron, the only problem i have with your thinking is this, and i dont know the SA rules but here in Qld, they are really getting tough, you may not get the chance to change out the wheels, they could just throw your van on a tow truck and fail it till it is inspected by SA transport, to me it would not be worth the risk, the inconveniece, cost to get it to their liking. Me, i would do it all legal from the get go, that way if the cops pull me over, it's only for a perve, and if she is a constable, i'll perve while she's perving. lol ;D ;D ;D I am changing the look of my van without changing the mechanicals like you want to do, it's the percieved look, or the change you get when you don' t actually change. As for knowing the act, here is some advice from someone that has been around, the young cops today wont know squat, you will probably know more, but if they dont know, they will tow it and get someone in the know to judge it, just more inconvenience for you. Someone on here said to play around with the body and guards to get the look, good advice. good luck.
george.
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pretty sure but don't quote me but to get it 100% legal you can't even have mags on it, as being a commercial both the wheels and tyres need to be load rated thus making pretty much every beddy with mags non legal
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i think your right hotrod. worzel had a roadworthy fail because he had jelly beans on his van.
jelly beans being an alloy rim are only load rated to 500kg each rim i think? swb are a 1 ton van arnt they? that makes 2400kg making basically anything alloy illegal. im not sure about steel chromies? like 12 slotters might be ok?
sorry george that makes your hurricanes illegal too.
ben
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Thanks benny, lol ;D smartarse ;) Good thing i found a new set of rims, not hurricanes.
Correct me here, but i think the correct law is, all mags and aftermarket wheels are illegal, heres what i think the rule is. At least for roadworthy's all and any vehicle MUST be fitted with the factory wheel / tyre or an equivalent approved by the vehicle manufacturer, so technically a commodore can only have the steel 15inch that came from the factory. But as we know, there is a gray area that the transports dont enforce. But if you have to go over the pits they will nail you, thats why hot rodders have a spare set of stocks to throw on when they need to.
The wheel / tyre rules are as stupid as the air horns rules, you are NOT allowed to have those red plastic horns fitted to a car, BUT you are allowed to buy them, for the purpose of fitting them to a car, exactly the same rule for both, so you can get them, fit them, just dont get caught with them fitted.
BS redtape, makes the world go around.
george.
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I dont know where all these rules are comming from but I have DOT approval for 18 x 12 all alloy rims for my swb and this is from the vehicle safety dept
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but in the end if you van is not legal and is involed in a accedent you will have no insureance
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i have taken several vans over the pits in my years and have never been questioned about alloy rims jellybeans or hurricanes.
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No insurance, and a massive bill. Hey merlin, i can tell you as fact where the rule comes from, the dept that approved your rims, are a different department to the inspectors, and one dept does not talk to another, i found that out a while back, one dept said yes to my side pipes, i rang back a day or 2 later to check something and ended up with an inspector, and was told if i did my side pipes my van could and would be infringed and taken off the road till they are rectified, as for the other depart, here is the quote: other depts are trying to fit in with what the public want, and ignore the rules by permitting things, we follow the safety rules, and we WILL sticker you.
So here in qld, we have 2 deptments fighting and we are in the middle, i dont know about other states, but that was what i was told, and went through. Needless to say i have abandoned my side pipes, UNTILL i get to them, and i will see what happens, and try again, ;D if i get the go ahead, i will be getting it all in writing. ;)
George.
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dummy sidepipes George thats the answer
Thats my long term plan that way the dummies at DOT can go get stuffed ;D
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Put them inside the running boards or side skirts ;) We don't have a problem over here, that I know of...............
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we are allowed lake pipes as long as they dont exceed the noise level - think its 96db
Can you register the van as a hot rod/show car/ caravan or something else other than a commercial ?
A while ago over here someone found a loop hole in the registration system, a hearse has really cheap rego and the only description of a hearse was a vehicle to transport dead bodies. so people carried a dead chicken and things and classed it as a hearse. They have since added a better description of a hearse but we still have things like farm vehicles that have cheap rego but they have limits as to how far they can go from the farm etc, people still try it on and hope for a warning but they have brought in really big fines for false declarations.
but if you could get rid of the commercial label you could get around the load ratings etc (as long as you don't use it as a commercial van)
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but we still have things like farm vehicles that have cheap rego but they have limits as to how far they can go from the farm etc, people still try it on and hope for a warning but they have brought in really big fines for false declarations.
I think dealers 'trader plates' are super expensive rego cuz some people were just using them on all their cars and only paying 1 rego
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pretty sure but don't quote me but to get it 100% legal you can't even have mags on it, as being a commercial both the wheels and tyres need to be load rated thus making pretty much every beddy with mags non legal
In one of my previous posts i discussed this, and that pretty much any older style mag will increase the track beyond the legal limits, regardless of weight rating.
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Also found this very interesting but somewhat redundant.
I was looking at a Hyundai iLoad at work today and thought to myself, wow, they're a lot wider than a hiace, i wonder if its as wide as a beddy
And i found the following
Length (mm) 5125
Width (mm) 1920
Height (mm) 1935
Wheelbase (mm) 3200
Wheel track - front/rear (mm) 1685 / 1660
So 1) pretty close to a beddy width, only 100mm narrower (and 225mm wider than the current hiace)
and 2) the front track is 25mm wider than the back
So everyone who told me the front is always narrower than the back, how do you like them apples, i was right
Despite this shallow victory, i still need to find mags to make my front narrower and less gumby looking
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?????????? no insurance ???huh?? not legal??? didnt anybody read my post??? all of my mods are approved by the WA TRANSPORT SAFETY DEPARTMENT who are THE authority here nothing gets licinsed here without their approval so my van will be 100% legal and as far as insurance goes Shannons have agreed to insure my van for FULL comp cover you just have to do your homework before building ( my planning & research took almost 4 years before i turned a spanner so i know my van will be as legal as a new car
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(puts up his hand ) oo ooo!!! I did!!
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oh yeh hotrod, lol ;D ;D
That was me that found that loophole, what it was, is you can register your van as a hotrod/show vehicle, and the rego was half the normal price. The down side was that you can only drive about 14kms from the registered home address, unless you are going to a show. You also need to carry a log book, and it has to be filled out to the minute, and because the plates are different in appearence, the cops and transport will almost always pull you over to check your books. So having found that out i scrapped that idea, and decided to go full rego, stuff having big brother that close.
Hey merlin, your like me, i have spent a massive amount of time researching my van, but it sounds like, unlike your transport dept, ours are in a turf war, as i said one dept will say yes to something, and another will say no. Our problem is we have too many departments overseeing the same thing over here. Over here you can never ring up twice and get the same answer, it is just mental here, and frustrating.
george.
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ok im picking up that every state has its own laws. so dont asume VIC laws are gunnas be ok in NSW cause every states different.
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Man, you fellas are paranoid. I've always followed the info from vicroads and never had a problem.
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/CC48FC10-4D57-4F04-82E1-3BD72EF88340/0/VSI8.pdf (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/CC48FC10-4D57-4F04-82E1-3BD72EF88340/0/VSI8.pdf)
Read item 8 - wheels, and item 12 - exhausts. Mags are allowed, sidepipes are allowed. I've had both on my vans, and never had a problem.
Maybe I'm just lucky.
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You hit the nail on the head benny, every state is different, in it laws, and that is the whole problem with this country, but slowly things are changing. At the moment a sparky from qld can not go to vic to work, and vice versa, at this time a tradie can not move from state to state. When i was working as a PI, i was licenced in one state, when i moved to qld, i could not work till i got a qld licence. When i was working on a missing child case years ago [ mother skipped with the daughter] for me to cross the boarder i had to get a nsw pi to work with me, i could work on his licence, still the same. Tweed heads, Police in qld can not step over the line and cross into nsw without getting clearence from coms in both states. The sooner the whole country is covered by one set of licences, trades the better.
Hey guys NZ has just been hit by a massive earthquake, just minutes ago.
george.
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Man, you fellas are paranoid. I've always followed the info from vicroads and never had a problem.
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/CC48FC10-4D57-4F04-82E1-3BD72EF88340/0/VSI8.pdf (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/CC48FC10-4D57-4F04-82E1-3BD72EF88340/0/VSI8.pdf)
Read item 8 - wheels, and item 12 - exhausts. Mags are allowed, sidepipes are allowed. I've had both on my vans, and never had a problem.
Maybe I'm just lucky.
yes you can have mags, but you cannot have a track increase of more than 25mm
The standard beddy wheels had a 1.5" positive offset, so you'd need to have mags with between 1" and 1.5" postitive offset.
ie on a 7" mag around 5- 5.5" backspace and an 8" mag about 5.5-6" backspace
most jellybeans at least have about a 3-3.5" backspace making them illegal by this clause
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Gee, if I lived over there, I would give up on customizing anything......
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Hey Bas, mate that is about the size of it, we have so many rules that are against customisers it's not funny. Probably why we dont have a custom car industry in oz, like they do in yank land, we have a few but not enough for the amount of people taking up the craze. At the end of the day common sense on our part has to happen, by that i mean, do the custom work but keep it as close to safe as possible, that way they can not nail you.
george.
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George, are some of these rules new, lets face it Oz has put out some very ratical vans in the past, but I can understand what you are saying, but it would be great if you could let the mind run wild and put those plans on paper into reality...
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Hey fellers you all should read the second last page called the last word in the March 2011 issue of The Australian Street Rodder All about the NEW rules for NSW I think its going to get WORSE Cheers Reid
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Hey Reid, can you scan and post that page for us.
Hey Bas, mate the problem we have here in oz is that black and white is always gray. There are 2 ways we can run with your imagination, 1 being the half price rego, if you go that path, you can get away with a lot, but the restrictions are rediculous, log books, only 14ks from home, and dozens more. 2. if you dont want to register you can go wild and out there, but you have to trailer your van everywhere.
Here is what pisses me off here bas, you go for the hot rod rego ok, log books and so on, how hypicritical are these guys, the reason we can not do these mods is for safety, but if you get a restricted rego, they will let the same mods on the road with other motorists. For instance, i am not allowed to have my side pipes on full rego, but on a restricted rego i can, i still have the same level of danger, risk, this is where this country is so stuffed, nothing is black and white, and the gray area is not gray, it can have dozens of levels, just to complicate things more. You can buy air horns for your car, but you can't fit them, why not just ban them from being imported, revenue.
I think part of the problem here is this, and this is a fact, we have V8 Supercars australia here, or did. ;) On tv they will cancell, slice and dice and move it to suite the telecast of football and cricket, they will shorten a motor race telecast if football follows, but god forbid they should miss a second of bloody football and cricket, to be fair i can not stand football and cricket, unless i want to go to sleep, point being the government, networks and others do not have an interest in cars and hot rodding and V8s, they screen it because of the revenue.
I dont know the answer, except to say, you need to have people in transport who are hot rodders, to design common sense rules. As for how old are these rules, it's like this bas, some of these rules are decades old, but some generations just dont enforce them, then the next will, or, all of a sudden you will have a spat of illegally modified cars in crashes, so they start to enforce again to look as if they are doing something. Look at it like this mate, depending on who answers the phn next time, my side pipes may be allowed. lol ;) ;D ;D ;D
george.
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Wow, things just keep costing more money
Shorten tailshaft and new uni's $300ish
New solid brake lines for HQ diff $140ish
But after that, i've got to be getting pretty close to driving her again for the first time since November
Will just need the vacuum lines looked at, a speedo reduction box that i can only order after i know how far out the speedo is (anyone know where to get them made), a new exhaust (although not necessary to drive) and a few other minor things
I went to an auto-paint store and found out that i need to allow around $1200 in material for a paintjob (Not $4000 like one painter told me)
This has given me a new enthusiasm for getting her painted
Also found out if i go a solid grey as opposed to metallic i only need 2 coats of color (plus primers/fillers) etc rather than 2 coats of metallic color and 2 coats of clear.
Saving not only the cost of 2 coats of paint but also the labour, so maybe i will be able to get her painted sooner than later.
Still looking at getting brand new mags from the US for the front. Just need to wait and see some actual photos to make sure they match the back
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Oh i just looked at page on of this thread and i said i was going to give a costing sheet for my project,
well i can tell you with either great pride or great humility (I'm not sue which) that i've just cracked $10,000
Which is about the same as a late 90's early 00's Hiace with 200,000-400,000kms
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What gearbox do you have in your van?
I know when I changed the diff in my HQ I got a different coloured cog to go on the end of the speedo cable (the end that goes into the trans).
different coloured cogs have more or less teeth. That was for a Trimatic.
When I changed the trans I had a new speedo cable made here in Adelaide, just gave them length and and told them what it was connecting to, job done.
they were called Flexible Drive or something like that.
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i have a toyota supra/celica 5 speed. Bought a conversion kit from Dellow which included a conversion speedo cable that fits (wouldn't want to have been any shorter though) but no coloured gears.
Mind you changing my gearbox, diff and tyre size all at the same time would require a crazy amount of calculations and would still not necessarily be right.
i figure if i drive it with a tomtom and the tomtom says i'm doing 100kph and my gauge says 108kph, then i know i'm 8% out and will get the necessary gear to bring it back by 8%
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Super excited, crossing things off my list really quick now
Today: Fitted rocker cover, Bought more wheels from the US, fitted drive shaft, installed new solid brake lines to HQ diff, connected handbrake cable
Tomorrow: Fill Diff and gearbox with oil, bleed brakes, refit fuel tank, play with clutch cable, bolt a seat in and maybe, just maybe GO FOR A DRIVE
Next few weeks: Swap front tyres onto new rims, change shock mounts, calibrate speedo, and have a serious look at paint and panel
Lots happening, no pics though, not really any need for any
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NO pics?? not really any need for them????? jesus you should not cheat george out of his favourite fetish, (beddy pervin ;D ) tis cruel an inhuman ;)
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Thankyou skip, you said it all, nothing left for me to say, except, jesus, do you remember what happened to marie antoinette. ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
george.
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What color was her beddie
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Thankyou skip, you said it all, nothing left for me to say, except, jesus, do you remember what happened to marie antoinette. ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
george.
No, i mean i can take photos of freshly painted driveshafts and diffs with fresh brake lines on them, but are they that interesting
Don't worry though, i'll have some photo worthy material soon
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Ok Jesus, we are going to take into account that you are a beddy virgin, still, so here is the good oil for the beddy family, some of us would get excited over 2 flys sitting on a bedford grill, so long as the grill was in the pic. LOL ;) ;D ;D what we are saying is, if its to do with a beddy, we want to see it, if we dont we will let you know. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Here is one of my exciting pics. ;D ;D ;D
george.
Hey rossie, i think it ended up red. lol ;D
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Nice one George I had a feeling he was having a go at me Thanks for covering my back but im pritty thick skinned
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Ok George, this weekend i'll take a photo of any and everything just for you
Here's one to get you through the week
This is the shifter from my 3 speed, tacked onto the celica box with a new hole cut in the floor, showing how much further back it is. This is with the 14" shifter position i believe which is the most far forward that dellow make.
Ok i know, on saturday i can even photoshop 5 images together so you can see the position of the shifter in all the gears
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What color was her beddie
....as george said red..but it was no good anyway ::)... the head had gone on it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Ok so getting the clutch cable shortened today so next weekend we will have our maiden voyage take 2. Also found out Flexible Drive Agencies can make a speedo reduction box once i know how far out the speedo is. I'm just hoping that the new speedo cable will give me a more stable reading and the needle won't wobble all around the place like it did before
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I'm just hoping that the new speedo cable will give me a more stable reading and the needle won't wobble all around the place like it did before
i had this. a greased the cable up and man it ran smooth as after that.. also should make your cable last a lot longer also.
cheers
ben
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Thanks for the pic. lol ;) ;D As for the speedo, make sure they get it 100% right, or you could get booked. I dont know about other states, but up here now the 10% leaway is gone, if we are just 1k over now we get done. B4 you could be 4 or 5k over to compensate, not anymore. I use my cruise control in zones 80 and under, and set the cruise 3 or 4ks under the speed limit, just to be on the safe side.
george.
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Yeah, i know on my barina i can put the needle on the last 0 of 100 and i'm still doing 99, but its good to know
I'll get the box made up and then test the speedo again against the GPS just to make sure
But if i do get done through a redlight camera, i'll ask to see the picture and then post it for you george
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You'd be better off putting it on a dyno to get the speedo checked rather than using GPS.
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Hey guys, my speedo was set new from the factory, my head unit has a digital speedo built in, and i also have a GPS speed alert that gives the digital speedo as well. I check all three together every few months just to make sure they are all accurate. But since being hit in the back by the dingbat in the carpark, i also have a 4 camera drive - cam system, one camera covers the cluster and speedo, and all cams record at the same time, so i can bring them up on a split screen and record to dvd for evidence. Best part is in a crash, i can bring up the forward cam and speedo cam, and i can prove exactly how fast i was going at the point of impact, no disputes for me now, and i can replay the incident on a dop down screen seconds after the crash, assuming that there is a truck left. ;) Probably a bit of over kill, but i like gadgets, and as i have proved the guy in the wheelchair always gets the blame, and in the case of the carpark, once he realised he had no damage he took off, and there was nothing i could do to stop him or get his details, drivecam will do all that for me, i can view it then and there, or when i get home load it to my flashdrive then to dvd for the cops and insurance company. $1000 well spent.
George.
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Ok, lost the other post Busy was on in regards to the speedo reduction, here is the set up on my Black Beddie, runs VN 3.8 v6, don't forget I run the standard diff due to the overdrive on the auto a change wasen't needed as yet, but don't have a rev counter so that may be a different story, it runs ture, take this unit out and it rus at 10ks out when I sit on 100ks
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So i got 2 of the 4 mags i ordered from the US (hope the other 2 are still in the post)
These have a 4.5" backspace, not 3 3/8 so they should pull my fronts in nicely, and make steering a bit more possible
But life is never easy, the wheel nuts i have dont fit (so i need 10 more wheel nuts) and the centre hub hole is too small and needs machining out. Grrr why cant things be easy
On the + side, they match my rears better than the ones i currently have and they look the bomb.
PS you can buy my old set if you want, will work great for rears, terrible for fronts
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Deep-Dish-US-Indy-Mags-HQ-Pattern-Mags-Only-No-Tires-/250785785779?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a63ff67b3#ht_500wt_1156 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Deep-Dish-US-Indy-Mags-HQ-Pattern-Mags-Only-No-Tires-/250785785779?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a63ff67b3#ht_500wt_1156)
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Delays Delays Delays. Grrr, why?
Still only have 2 of the 4 mags i need to get her rolling again, still need to machine all 4 out, still need to fit tyres, still need shock monts re-welded, still need to fill everyhing up with oil, still need to bleed the brakes and still need to drive her for the first time since november.
I'm sure i posted all this a week ago, and said that i'd be driving her by now but, grrr!
I now wanna get her in for paint next monday, after the long weekend, but who knows, i might just be in the exact same position i'm in now
Rant over-thanks for reading
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Did a quick photoshop of the grey i want for my van. Dunno how to make it look glossy though, Abodator help
But it'll be a solid gloss color in real life, not metalic
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Big day today:
Shock mounts re-welded to diff
Clutch cable fitted, still needs small adjustment
fuel tank refitted
Diff and trans filled with oil
Started bleeding and adjusting brakes but ran out of brake fluid
Bolted starter motor back up
And for the fist time since november, drove it out of the shed
Bit scary without any brakes though, and i only reversed like 20m but still
So now my to do list is getting really short before paint and panel, might need to start on a to-do list of things after p&p is done
Not many photos cuz it was dark by the time i finished tonight, but i'll post some tomorrow for sure
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Photo's as promised
The Celica/Supra 5 speed, Dellow conversion Kit, spacer blocks lower the Bedford crossmember, cut and welded the Toyota transmission mount into the Bedford crossmember
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Chrome Rocker Cover
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Victor welding the shock mounts onto the back diff (Shoulda done this before we put it under the van)
If you want any photos of anything else just ask, i dunno what you guys are into
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Another historical day for the Azzvan, but first allow me to rant,
How many electricians and plumbers does it take to bleed a van?
Well after probably 2-3hours of f**king around, we finally worked out our master was buggered so we pinched one from the old parts van and had it bled in 20mins. Man thats annoying, anyway
So, brakes bled and adjusted, front mags fit perfectly and look amazing. Get very close to guards at full lock, but this will be sorted when flares go on
Some idiot didn't charge the camera so no pics today.
And my first proper drive of the van with the new drive line
To recap: Celica/Supra W55 5-speed, driving a HQ 3.36 ratio diff on 295-50-15 tyres
Hit 80kph in 3rd, 100kph in 4th and a new land speed record of 116kph in 5th. Had the engine cover off so it was a bit hard to hear how hard it was revving, as i'm used to the cover on, but my foot was nearly flat to maintain 110kph. Perhaps with a bit of a tune up i might hit 120kph, but 110 is highway speed so thats all i need.
Speedo is 20% too slow, ie 100kph on Navman = 80kph on speedo, 50kph on Navman = 40kph on speedo, so i can now get the reduction (or in this case, increase) box made up.
Other than that, i snapped 2 bolts holding the tow bar on whilst trying to remove them, so will need to find replacements. Started pulling out door rubbers ready for paint and panel.
Paint and panel will start on Monday (all going well) and should take about 3 weeks and $7500, i'll post plenty of pics, if i charge the camera.
Tomorrow, keep pulling out door rubbers and give it a quick clean ready for monday. A few other minor things to double check before its 100%
Soooo exciting
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So are we buddy, nothing better then seeing another beddy coming back to life, well maybe there is one thing ;) ;) ;D ;D I have about 5 cameras here so i will always have at least one i can use, plus spare batteries for some of them. Being an X PI cameras were the NO1 tool of the trade. ;D ;D ;D
When all this is done mate you will forget the bad times when you are cruising, a beddy makes you forget all thats bad. I remember the first time i built mine, and took it for a drive the first time, it was awesome, people just stood on the side of the road staring, it was great, and my van was just plain, not custom, so i can't wait to finish and see the looks this time.
george.
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Ok guys photos as promised. Hope they work
Just a few pics of the van with the new front mags. Mags look the same but the difference in offset mean they actually fit under the guards
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I get clearance from lock to lock (just), but would clip the guard on bumps
I don't think i need to mention that i'll be trimming them back when we fit the flares
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A few underneath pics, easy to take photos with no spare tyre hanger or towbar
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Interior before, and then ripping everything out ready for paint
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Few more pics
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hey Aaron, looking sweet mate, keep up the great work ;)
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I 2nd that mate, those wheels/tyres alone make for great looking stance, can't wait to see it all finished and painted. Are you going to paint underneath the the van.
Your pics turned out great.
george.
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Yep.. deep dish mags are a goer on beddies ;D ;D ;D keep us poated dude!!!
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Ah man, as if it took me this long to post this,
The Azzavan is in the Paint & Panel shop.
Drove her down, about 50k's, no wipers, raining, no door windows, raining, no engine cover, no rubbers, very loud and rattley. But fun, and fast at 100kph
But yeah, been in the P&P for a week now, and a bit of the rust has been cut out. He says he'll get stuck into it more this week as he's still finishing off another van
so hopefully within the month she'll be ready for pickup
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At least you are making progress ;)
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any info on the other van?
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looks like areal tidy van to start with, liking the suicide side door
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Hey Arron, looking good mate, looks as if you have the right guy, he has a few beddy vans under his belt by the looks of that one in the background.
I know when you bought the van you were considering getting rid of the suicide door and going back to the original way of opening it, are you going to change that while it's in there. Keep the pics coming, not long now mate.
george.
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Hey Arron, looking good mate, looks as if you have the right guy, he has a few beddy vans under his belt by the looks of that one in the background.
I know when you bought the van you were considering getting rid of the suicide door and going back to the original way of opening it, are you going to change that while it's in there. Keep the pics coming, not long now mate.
george.
Yeah he's a real Bedhead, i think he checks Buga every now and then. He knows Ben, his name is Scott
He talked me into keepin the suicide door, because there is no re-enforcing to turn it round the 'right way' and looked to much like hard work.
I don't mind which way it swings, as long as it latches properly, and now that he's used a drivers side handle on it, doesn't look so gumby
Busy, yeah the body is very nice and Scott's a bit excited about it. He keeps telling me it'll come up really good because its so good to start with
Obsession, the old van is now a parts van as it's been very helpful pinchin parts whilst restoring the Azzvan. If anyone needs anything off it just ask and i'll consider seling it to them
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scotty is always good for a beddie chat! love it:)
ben
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Hey bennie bro , stop chatting and let me know if you have two seat bases .... oh shivers that means we have to chat about beddies again
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sorry eddy bro:( got no seat bases cause everyone wants seatbases. whats wrong with your seat bases? how about i get you a welder instead?
ben
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nuh my seat bases are swivel and I reckon the Vic roads monster will spot them ask that they be engineered, perhaps a plastic welder would be better, I can use two up turned milk crates and plastic weld sides on to make them look original ;D
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you can have a lend of these seats + seat bases if you need em.
plastic is good:)
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cool, I'll bring a couple of milk crates and cushions for you to use as seats while I am getting the beddie roadworthied ;D
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Paint and panel is going to be done by next friday the 15th, so i've taken an RDO to go down and pick her up
Finally picked out the colour, It's called Graphite and is a Protec colour, basically the darkest grey before black. Should look nice
Flare kit is on and just needs to be blended in. Makes the van look very tough and super curvy, The DD of the Bedfords i think.
Getting excited now
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Also been doing some interior designs, let me know what you think.
Both are modelled from the cargo space only, so the front piece missing is the van cab, and the side piece missing is the side door.
I've also pulled the roof off for a better view.
They are probably to scale within 20mm, the bed is the same length as a full size double bed and only 3" narrower, keep in mind the benchtop will be at kneeling height, not standing height
The tall cupboard will have a door and is designed as a hanging wardrobe, and the other overhead cupboards may or may not have doors
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hope you don't forget to close your side door properly , they don't call em suicide doors for nuthin . :P ::)
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are those flares fibreglass or plastic? they flow nicely
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are those flares fibreglass or plastic? they flow nicely
They are Ben's 5 piece glass kit. I don't like the scooby kit because it changes the shape of the van to much for my liking, the 5 piece just extends the curves the beddy already has
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hey azza, watch for the side door hitting the rear flare when opening ;)
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hey azza, watch for the side door hitting the rear flare when opening ;)
Shit, good point. Was gonna put something in place to stop the door from opening too far, but i thought the door handle would hit the body first, but i'll check now that you mention it
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yep. original beddies had a pin on the side door and socket on the front door to hold side door when open, but front flares and/or non standard mirrors made them useless, most side doors I have seen have a short length of seat belt fastened to the B pillar and the swinging face of the door, works okay but I was thinking of using a bonnet gas strut to prevent door from swinging open. ;)
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yeah mine had the pin and catch mechanism on backwards, as the door swung backwards, but because it was ugly, i've deleted it. if there was a way to graft the rear door thingo's in, that way it'd semi-lock at 90deg and then only open further if you wanted it to. it can't be that hard to make something up
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just becareful and not make it to strong or if the wind or something catches it it will twist the pillar
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could you use the barn door catch perhaps? I was thinking of a gas strut as that would prevent the door from opening onto the van body when fully extended and stop the door slammig shut when windy, wouldn't be worried about wind twisting the pillar more worried about reversing with the door open and hitting the letterbox, now that would twist the pillar :o
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at the moment the door is very stiff to open past 90degrees, the wind certainly won't blow it. Maybe because the hinges don't line up 100% and are fighting each other, or maybe just cause they are old and a bit sticky, some RP7 will determine which. Is RP7/ WD40 harmful to paintwork?
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Few more pics for you all. Flares have now been blended into the bodywork, and its starting to look really nice. pity is, looking at my budget, i will have to take a break from the old girl pretty much as soon as i get her back due to lack of funds, so chroming of bumpers and exhaust, susmension, interior will have to wait till i sell my barina. Sad face
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Looking good arron.
Mate i would'nt worry about not being able to move on to the next step just yet. You are better doing it in blocks, that way you keep a handle on the finances, and it does'nt get out of control, besides it does'nt hurt so much when you do one thing at a time, the shock will come at the end, when you add up all the figures. ;D ;D
I am looking forward to getting started on mine again, it will be almost a year by that time, since i did anything on it. Mind you i have not been dorment, i have been designing, buying bits to put on it when i start up again, and i have had my sparky working on the electronics. I have also been looking for a fibreglasser to build some of my custom interior bits ie: custom dash & consoles.
Put a smile on your face mate, you are getting there, and you are further along then some of us ;) ;D.
george.
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Hey Jesus . did you screw the flares on first and have you got any pics of your first step pete
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Hey Jesus . did you screw the flares on first and have you got any pics of your first step pete
I didn't have a good look at how they were attached before he blended them in. i think there were a few screws from memory. once i get it back i can have a look and see if i can see anything from the inside of the guards
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Havn't seen the van in close to a week now, but i think paint should be all but finished. Bit nervous cuz i havn't even seen the colour yet (except for the 10mm square on the colour chart)
The plan is to pick her up friday morning and fit mirrors, weather seals, windows, towbar, spare wheel hangar, mag centre caps and as much interior as i can on friday. Weekend is busy, but hopefully if i get paid i can get a new exhaust put underneath her on tuesday and then some suspension on thursday. then i'm on poor street again waiting for more money
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Here is a solution to the pics problem, if you trust these guys doing your van, leave them a cheap camera, and ask them to snap pics for you as they are doing each stage, it would only take a few seconds to snap pics every now and then.
george.
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Here is a solution to the pics problem, if you trust these guys doing your van, leave them a cheap camera, and ask them to snap pics for you as they are doing each stage, it would only take a few seconds to snap pics every now and then.
george.
thought of that but its all trivial now, pick up tomorrow morning as soon as the bank opens
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Can't wait to see the finished work arron.
george.
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Can't wait to see the finished work arron.
george.
Not finished yet but here's a sneek peek
Still to do, mirrors, bumpers, windows, towbar, spare tyre, get the blue crap off the tyres, interior etc etc, but i'm heaps happy with the colour and the finish. Bit of a shock seeing it a different colour. Imagine your wife coming home from work one day and she's the same person but african american. Weird yeah. Heaps excited though
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lookin great mate well done
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10 outa 10 bloody awesome. And great colour choice.
george.
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Congratulations Big Fella - ya done good!! :o
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wow. looks good!! I like it
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GREAT COLOR MATE WELL DONE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING IT IN THE FLESH LOVE THOSE WHEELS
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wow looks great man.. how is the steering with those big wheels on the front? they look awesome!!
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Hey thankyou everyone for your kind words of encouragement. It needs a good wash and polish as the finish isn't 100% yet, but yeah i'm happy with it.
Ben, the steering seems fine, pretty much like it was before. The fronts have a 1mm offset, so basically nothing, and i think this is the key. Plus the rubber is fresh so it makes it pretty easy.
She sits on 100kph fine, but a bit wobbly at 110. This might change when i put some weight in the back and get wheels aligned properly.
Having no shocks in the rear (get some on thurs) makes it very bumpy, and railway crossings are plain scary. I'm hoping this is because of lack of weight and shockers, and not to do with the big wheels, as that would be dissapointing.
Any ideas of how much weight a full interior would add?
Other than that, i'll keep adding pics and posts as i finish off all the final touches.
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just get a good set of shocks, and she'll be a new van. awesome.
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Nice one bud, she's looking good! Always cool to see the transformation that fresh paint brings
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Wow, been a while since my last post.
Just put on my new mirrors. I had some kombi stlye smallish mirrors, which were no good, so i got some Chev/GMC van mirrors from the US. They are huge, but i like them, and hopefully will give me a lot better vision.
Put some 'wanker mesh' behind the front grill, and am currently repairing and re-installing my heater.
Bolted both seats in with new bolts, and they're now stable for probably the 1st time in 30yrs.
Slowly putting trim back in and finding and fixing leaks at the same time, hopefully tackle door seals this weekend
Just need some rear shocks, i think HQ one's will fit
Few more bits and pieces, and then i can call her finished, well the outside at least. Then just start the inside.
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awesome!!!!!
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hi.. pedders do new shocks.. & have gas sports for the beddy... thats what i'm using on my camper..
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Awesome mate, looking good, that wanker mesh looks good, lol ;) ;D ;D Look forward to seeing the inside come together. I recon what makes your van look good is you hav'nt gone overboard.
george.
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very tasty jeez ;)
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looking great look forward to seeing you around town,,,,,
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Does anyone have photos of their door rubbers installed. I'm having 'fun' working out how they go back in, and silly me didn't have a proper look before i ripped them all out.
I'm particularly interested in the rear barn doors, where they meet each other, (i can see daylight between them)
in other news, i still have leaks, and am still trying to find where from, i'll call rarespares on monday to see if they have replacement rubbers for the windcreen wiper entrys.
Put new shocks in today, much better, and went for a run, new top speed of 129kph.
Took pics and a video, will upload them when i work out how too with my new phone.
FINALLY got my speedo reduction box, which means my speedo is now right, to within 2-3%
hopefullly finish putting all the standard trim back in today and can take some pics of the inside.
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new shocks
oh and the video i took is 27mb which i think is a bit too big
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hey Jeez ...... noice, you sure thats not kill rust paint in pewter ;) where from and how did you get the mirrors ? already thought of using wanker mesh as it does give a neat effect to the standard grill, shivers my van is going to look like yours so I better make a few changes, nothing worse than pulling up at traffic lights and stop next to the same model or same looking vehicle, better graffitti a half finished mural on the rear doors ....... hehehe thats on your van not mine ;D
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where from and how did you get the mirrors ?
Get them on Ebay. There's busloads of them and they cost bugger all. Nice stainless.
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hey thanks Rouge, I'm turning into a bit of an ebay desperado, been trolling for tools last couple of weeks and got some good buys, sitting off a uhf radio which ends soon, oh well back to ebay to watch the clock ticking again .... come in spinner !!! ;D
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I thought i posted a reply to eddy, did it dissapear or did i hit preview instead of post?
Anyway, finnaly got all my door rubbers in. Shit of a job, but i'm glad its done. Didn't do the best job, but its ok cuz i didn't pay anyone to do it.
Booked in to get my exhaust done this week, and then get the engine tweaked up, hopefully get rid of that dead spot down low
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Just a few more pics for everyone, the exhaust sounds nice, but the dead spot is a lot more noticeable, will look at getting that looked at this weekend or next week sometime
But yeah, small tip, s/steel box, $580 which i thought was reasonable. I've never had a car with a loud exhaust so its a bit different to what im used too.
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that a banjo you running azvan?
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azz van lookin great... how much u spend on the paint job?
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that a banjo you running azvan?
Yeah its a Banjo. I wont be layin any rubber so i didnt see the need to go up to a salisbury
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azz van lookin great... how much u spend on the paint job?
Paint and panel was $8700. Not super happy with the paint job quality though. i guess i got what i paid for, but there are a few bits that are disappointing
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hey where did u get the mirrors from? are they off any particular vechile?
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hey where did u get the mirrors from? are they off any particular vechile?
They're after-market Chevy mirrors. As stated before do a search on ebay.
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kool thanx . will get ray to search ebay , thats one of Rays favourite pastimes! ;)
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kool thanx . will get ray to search ebay , thats one of Rays favourite pastimes! ;)
He tells you hes on ebay, but.......
it's easy to get side tracked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEjvCRPrCo)
Warren
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mmmmm yes i know we all get side tracked from time to time LMAO! ;)
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http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Chevy-Chevrolet-GMC-Truck-Van-Universal-RH-LH-Mirror-/350463215618?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item51993c4802#ht_4134wt_969 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Chevy-Chevrolet-GMC-Truck-Van-Universal-RH-LH-Mirror-/350463215618?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item51993c4802#ht_4134wt_969)
Mirrors - On eBay
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why thanx Aaron ur very helpful ! :D
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So the van has been tuned and cruises much better now. only problem, is when turning the van off, it runs on every now and then, and i have to drop the clutch to stall it. not a smooth look. Why is this?
Other than that, it runs really smooth and revs nicely at 100/110kph.
Gonna go for a sunday drive to Pt Broughton tomorrow, (about a 500km round trip) 100kph on the way up and 110kph home to work out the economy and how much Fuel/money i'm saving after spending so much on transmission, diff, wheels, tyres etc.
My target to beat is 14l/100km as thats what i was drinking before, mind you that was at 80kph. Ahh, its good to go fast.
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I find if I run the higher octane premium unleaded petrol it doesn't happen to often, also try adjusting the timing a little bit, that will help.
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Sounds like post ignition..looking on google here are a number of causes..
carbon in the head still glowing ...spark plugs too hot...timing not right...
poor petrol condition...wrong octane level ...
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Thanks, um yeah its probably timing, ill chat to the guy who tuned it up. I run standard pump fuel, usually bp, and a valve master lead replacement/additive.
Numnutz, have you painted your van yet?
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Ive been researching problems with HEI ignition and coils etc on OLD HOLDEN . COM
and found this which might be helpful for your situation.
High Compression Ratios, Detonation, Pre-Ignition and Advance:
My Pre-Ignition and Detonation experiences have been interesting, so if you don't mind I'll give you the full answer. There's a general policy to back off the advance to stop or mimimise Pre-Ignition and Detonation and I've found maximising advance provides the best answer. All the Blue Sixes pull on the same degree of Mechanical Advance, they just use heavier or lighter springs to invoke that advance sooner or later. I use the lightest balance weight springs. Bosch can advise on these. The EFI VK (Black Motor) Distributor pulls on only half the mechanical advance of the Blue Distributors, which is why the static setting is 12 degrees as opposed to the normal 6 degrees. The Vacuum Advance Module I use has 230 stamped on it. The 2 is the diaghram's internal spring tension and the 30 equates to 3.0mm of travel from relaxed to fully activated. The degree of travel determines the amount of advance pulled on by the module. The bigger the number, the further the module pull rod travels under full vacuum and the further the HEI stator ring gets pulled around resulting in more advance. The standard Blue Distributor Vacuum advance will have 212 or 214 stamped on it. That means a spring tension or 2 and 1.2mm or 1.4mm of travel. These numbers are pretty tame compared to what the engine can take. When you look at the Advance Module, you'll see that the 1.2mm relates to the length of a nick cut into the Module's pull rod. A 214 will have a longer nick and a 230 will have an even longer nick. I believe it may be possible to file a Module's movement nick wider to make it travel further. It's something I've never tried but I could believe it would achieve the same result. I've also seen modules with 165 stamped on them which may be an imperial measurement, but those also had a heavy spring and very limited travel. If a distributor has one of these I'd expect heavy detonation from the engine. The GM Part number for the 230 Vacuum Advance Module is VS 141414, that is if they are still available, but a recent poster claimed that Bosch HEI Distributors can be bought brand new for around $250. The VS 141414 Module produced a pleasant increase in performance and economy. A rumour had it that this module was the standard V8 module. There will always be a lot of debate about pre-ignition and detonation since there are many variables involved. My experience has been that combustion chamber deposits are the biggest cause and that running the engine at peak efficiency will burn the combustion chamber clean and deliver power free of detonation and pre-ignition. I am a great believer in GM wedge combustion chambers because they can accept much more advance than other combustion chamber designs. I've found Alfa Romeo hemi's to be particularly susceptible. Detonation came in heavily when GMH were forced to detune their engines to meet emission requirements, i.e around HX. My HZ in standard form used to detonate and pre-ignite for fully 30% of any Sydney-Canberra-Sydney run I did. The issue could be managed by flooring the accelerator, backing off, or partially activating the choke. After increasing the spark energy and the spark advance in steps, the pre-ignition and detonation vanished so I've operated on the basis of keeping maximum advance and spark energy ever since. EGR pays detonation control dividends too. I've run my engines with and without it and found that running with it delivers the best power and economy. The thing I've found with detonation and pre-ignition is not to run away from it. The weaker the ignition and the fewer degrees of advance the more combustion chamber deposits form and the worse the detonation will be. I use Caltex Vortex. In addition to being the right octane rating, it has washed years of accumulated EGR ash out of the inlet manfifold and delivered on all their promises over the 9 months I've used i
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Not yet, I keep finding little bits that could be better. hopefully get a few coats on it tomorrow.
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Ok, the numbers are in, and they are surprising.,
Drove 299.5km for my house to Pt Germain and back to Pt Pirie, at 100kph when the speed limit allowed it.
During this portion of the trip i consumed 38.52L which gives me 12.86L/100km @100kph
Filled up at Pt Pirie and drove home, this time at 110kph. From Pirie to Pt Wakefield, 110kph was hard to reach because of a reasonable head wind, but this died off then after Pt Wakefield, and 110kph was quite easy after that.
The result of this head wind meant i used 34.12L on the 211km trip home, which works out at 16.17L/100km @ 110kph
This is 3.31L/100km more or just over 25% more fuel used for a speed increase of 10km/h (10%) Soo not worth it
Also found out that my speedo is still 3.3% fast, but this is much better than the 28.3% out it was before.
A few more things to note, drivers window was down the whole trip, Van was practically empty, except for a few tools, and i used BP 91 fuel the whole trip, topping up my lead replacement additive with each fill
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I did that run last year year in a rental as I drove all around the Ayer peninsular visiting some of our
listeners and supporters its a nice stretch of road.
The photo of you Van is terrific...you have a really sweet looking Beddy well done.
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I agree.... really neat van! :)
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NICE PICTURE OF A NICE BEDDIE,,,,,MATE WELL DONE
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Ok so today I'm going to start the interior. I read in a van book once, that having a van us like having your own private hotel room with you wherever you go. So with that in mind today I'm just laying the foundations. Some 6mm mdf will make the floor flat, and some 16mm mdf for the bed base. Cost about $120 from bunnings so we'll see how far we get.
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AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH DON'T USE MDF!!!!!!, ITS SOOOOOOO HEAVY , ABSORBS WATER LIKE WHEAT BIX...... use it only to router a shape into/out of and or to paint (you can get a mirror finish) yes ply does absorb water but wont swell as much (it only takes a little water with mdf) and will hold screws alot better in (thin woods) good luck dano
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Yep, 9 - 12 ml ply untreated is the go..............
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AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH DON'T USE MDF!!!!!!,
Too late
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sorry bloke ,can you paint it or seal it at least, OOORRR as i do don't take them out in the rain .....LOL AND THEY STILL LEAK!!! DOH!
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I'll probably paint the visible bits, but the floor will be covered in carpet and laminate. I hope to keep the inside of the van dry, so hopefully it don't be too much of a problem
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Dont spill the BONG in there either he he... :D
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:D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :o :o :o :o :o LOL ...CORKA!
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or ya beer ! ;D
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Or your overly intoxicated blonde LOL
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:o guilty!! :o.... on all three counts, your honour.. :'(.. an then some.. ::)
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Hey all, time for a long overdue update
In reverse order of whats happened since my last post.
Today i've spent a lot of time and swearing fixing both my passenger and side door. The passenger door lock mechanism had broken, so i replaced it with the one from my spare parts van, and the cargo door never worked properly, (remember it is hinged backwards) Turns out the catch was about 5mm to high which stopped it from releasing, so i simply lowered it and voila, simple fix to a very big problem
Yesterday i decided id be smart and drive too close to some orange trees and put a nice scratch down the passenger side of my van. Hopefully it will buff out next time i was and polish it. Hopefully
Last week i had one of my church camps that we go on. this year we bought $10,000 worth of live sound gear so that all got loaded into my van and we tipped the scales at 2.1tonne, but the old girl didnt mind, she just sat low. real low.
The interior is slowly coming along, dont have any current photos, i guess i could take some, but heres a before and during pic
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hey arron, looking good, good to be back so i can follow the rest of the build.
george.
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i used to fill the back of my van with sound gear and people and a trailor! andthe springs hardly even moved:)
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The Azzvan is for sale :'(
See http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=2&topic=3644.msg36376#msg36376 (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=2&topic=3644.msg36376#msg36376)
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Arron , good to see you putting your van to serve the Almighty. ;)
BTW..can you tune into my radio station on 1611 AM ?
It's based in Salisbury but I'm told it's getting up your way.
Cheers
Ian