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Technical => Exteriors and Interiors => Topic started by: atk1 on July 28, 2009, 05:07:50 PM
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Hello people, any suggestions on what type of hinges are suitable to gull wing the rear & side doors please. Im not too keen on the piano hinge idea, thanks
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By memory Busy has an article on hinges on his site that covers the build of his van
http://www.munchtech.com/bedford/van6.html (http://www.munchtech.com/bedford/van6.html)
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Hey yeah Busy, do u got any pics of them welded & in action please? Only if youre not too busy tho
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Here are a few photos, most are the back door, last one is side door.
I welded a thick wall 25x25 sq tube in the inner gutter then made the cut outs for the hinges and welded it all in.
Note this will only work with no gutters, is designed to use the hinges as stops so doors only lift 90 degrees
and would be really hard to do with roof on SWB
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Wocked, thanks man! Remember what I tx u aye, choice
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Im not too keen on the piano hinge idea, thanks
Mine has lasted just over 15 years so I'm not complaining.
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Yea Rogue, 15 years sitting in the (GARAGE) ;D not sure if that counts.......
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No offence, I just love pianos thats all
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Yea Rogue, 15 years sitting in the (GARAGE) ;D not sure if that counts.......
Ahhh, not true. :P It was actually in full running order till about 18 months ago. I just haven't done anything to it in that time. The door has been up and down quite frequently over that time. ;)
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Atk1, was that your small block Chev on Trade Me?.
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Ok Rogue, we will have to take your word on that, but I see by your pictures that it has been opened at least once. ;)
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Yeah Bas that was my 350. I ended up selling it with the trans & diff. It was sweet gear but not suitable for the runner Im building.
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Thats great, I had my eye on it for the next project, hay something else will come up, no rush. Cheers
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rouge could you show us a pic of the hing area of your van door mate
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rouge could you show us a pic of the hing area of your van door mate
Go here.... http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=2&topic=222.0 (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=2&topic=222.0)
There are photos on page 4 and a bit more info on page 5.
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thanks mate
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Gull wing advice needed..
Benny had an idea to use bonnet hinges for the gull wing side door on my new beast...GREAT idea in theory, but after a long time of ponderment, I think the door will open too low and not be flush with the roof. After some googling, I found the following diagram from the chev van forums. I think this will work, as i want the hinge mouted to the inner channel rather than the gutter. I know this picture isn't a Bedford, however I think the 'idea' will work.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b350/wingwalker87/this%20is%20a%20picture/hinge_drawing_2.jpg)
Standard hinge, cut to size and then bent at particular angle to accomodate travel for the door to clear the gutter.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b350/wingwalker87/this%20is%20a%20picture/jjhinge.jpg)
What do other Beddy bretherin rekon? Any advice welcomed
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Unfortunately Mark your drawing isn't accurate.
There isn't a large bulkhead on the inside of the van like your drawing shows neither is there the upright piece of steel on the top of your door where you have the hinge attached.
Although this picture isn't the best you can see where my hinge is mounted. The hinge is welded flush to the top of the door. The bulkhead you show on your drawing is only a very small lip and certainly nowhere near enough surface area for the non-existent upright you show on your drawing to sit flush to.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/Rogue1234/DSCF0021-1.jpg)
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Rougue, as I mentioned in the post, this isn't a drawing of a Bedford. It was only illustrate the usage of the hinge. The hinge would go on the back of the side door, where the inner skin comes out and the angle would give it clearance from the gutter.
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Im thinking of using the hinge (or similar) set up as the old kombi vans rear hatch. It lifts & moves the door up and over the roof so that if its raining the water runs off the door and into the gutter, not inside
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I think I have a vague idea of what you may be talking about but you may run into problems with that as the way you have the hinge bent and mounted the door is going to drop as it swings out and you may have trouble with it scraping on the bottom lip.
You might get some better opinions if you posted an accurate drawing rather than leaving it to our interpretations.
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atk1 Do you have any pics?
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Cheers Rogue, sorry for vagueness.. It was more the hinge 'idea' that i'm trying to get feedback/ideas on. But thanks for your thoughts, appreciated ;D Here's a very rough and definately not to scale drawing along the bedford idea. i'm a crap drawer so don't hold it against me
(http://www.buga.com.au/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=26348&g2_serialNumber=1)
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Mark
Have a look at wagons, panel vans and commercial vans for how they all do the tailgate/rear door to get some ideas.
To get the clearance you need more like a car door hinge which moves the pivot point further up and back.
In my opinion piano hinges or door hinges like your talking about look naff.
the setup in your drawing would bind within a few degrees of opening.
Warren
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Here's a sketch of what it looks like. I've used my door mount as an example.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/Rogue1234/GullwingDoorMounting.jpg)
In my opinion piano hinges or door hinges like your talking about look naff.
I fail to see how they can look 'naff' when they are probably one of the most unobtrusive ways of mounting a gullwing door there is. Any other kind of hinge system will require the building of a suitable structure in the roof space of the van to provide solid enough mounting points which then can create an issue if you're wanting to install a head lining of some variety not to mention the lack of available structurally sound framework in the area.
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rouge i know you have not had your van on the road for a very long time but your system.. would it let the rain pour in to the van with door open or i suppose you dont have to open it that far hey.. get me?
cheers
ben
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It would do if you wanted to use the door as some kind of verandah although it wouldn't pour into the van, it would just drip down in front of the open doorway which is what would happen with most hinge systems anyway. You could always make an internal gutter that you could just hook on underneath the door when you had it open to channel the water away and unhook it whe you wanted to close the door if that's what you wanted to do but as I just intend to use the van as a normal vehicle and I don't intend living in it, it really doesn't bother me.
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but you may be forced to live in it rouge.. big world economic crash coming you know.. oh well getting wet would not be too high on the list of things to worry about he he
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Here is a quick sketch of how it could be done
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What is an SKP file?
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Sorry
Google sketchup
I will see if I can save it as a pdf or something
Warren
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Thanks Rogue, that clarifys it much betrer ;D I thought by your photos you had to weld to under the bottom of the gutter section. Tjhat makes more sense to me now. What is the maximum size screws you can use before going thru the roof? And how do u suggest getting the piano hinge onto a fibreglass door, obviously you cannot weld.....
Cheers buddy
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im also wondering that too..
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Ok, fibreglass... that's ugly. You certainly won't be able to use the method used on my van and I doubt the method you were planning on would work either. There just wouldn't be enough strength in the top of the door.
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hey benny, the pics of your black front end, is the pic of the mould ready front or is that the finished front end ? awsome looking.
george. PS. Sorry to hijack the topic. Back to our original programe ;) ;D ;D ;D
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Hmmm, thinking about this all the way home and I don't think there is any method you could use to mount a fibre glass door if that was all it was contructed of.
However if you embedded a steel framework into the fibreglass then you could probably use just about any method you liked depending on the final weight of the door. You could also have good solid steel mounting points in the door you could just bolt onto on either side.
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Yes Rogue, this is what i too have been thinking...Anywhere on the door that needs to be screwed into or attached to, would have to be re-enforced with steel behind it. Benny has done that already for some of the mounting points..I was thinking if i went down the piano hinge route, i would put some steel under the top of the door. Thanks for your consideration mate!
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned - door rubbers
piano hinges are good but don't allow a seal between it, if you do try squeeze the door closed with full rubber in there you will be putting massive amount of pressure on the hinge pin and inturn would break the collars holding the pin (same as any hinge)
so you have to compromise; looks (show cars most often dont use door rubbers) vs practical (piano higes take up the less room) vs weather (dust, water, wind noise ...) ... maybe use the paino hinge but change the door rubbers to a jappa style
and use stainless steel
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hey guys haven't been on for a while due to compromises with the f/book saga, won't go there but, have been keeping an eye on the forums, hey mark B I have mounted one of bens fibreglass doors gullwing style using two aluminium heavy duty hinges and they seem to have worked out okay, have to make a few alterations but the hinges will be fully concealed when finished, door opens and closes no worries with plenty of room for door rubbers and no obvoius problems, I am in Ringwood North if you want to come over and take a look see, the vans in the front drive and I have two hinges left over if your interested .... PM me
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nice to see you back buddy.
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Yes. Welcome back Eddy. ;D
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WooHoo welcome back buddy
Hope you start posting again
Warren
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned - door rubbers
piano hinges are good but don't allow a seal between it, if you do try squeeze the door closed with full rubber in there you will be putting massive amount of pressure on the hinge pin and inturn would break the collars holding the pin (same as any hinge)
so you have to compromise; looks (show cars most often dont use door rubbers) vs practical (piano higes take up the less room) vs weather (dust, water, wind noise ...) ... maybe use the paino hinge but change the door rubbers to a jappa style
and use stainless steel
The rubber is fine. In fact it's even easier than a standard door rubber. You can buy the flat rubber strip from any rubber supplier. You used to be able to get it from Para before they went west. As the piano hinge doesn't close flush the rubber seal sits in the gap quite nicely and compresses without any dramas over the mounting screw heads.
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eddy welcome back!!!!
tryed to call you the other day to see how everyone is but could not get through.
will try again.
ben
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hey thanx all my brothers from many different mothers, or should that read many daughters from different borders? lads from different dads? uh nuh okay silly billy me .... didnt roam too far away from BUGA, been a long term addiction of beddiemania if you know what I mean, I have been checking the forums regularly but haven't been responding, however this post is interesting as I have spent the past couple of weekends mounting a fibreglass gull wing door to the beddie so thought there is an onus on me to help where I can ......... did travel for 9 weeks up Queensland way towing the caravan been back in Vic for past 3 weeks ... what a frigging adventure, but thats another post topic ;) not interested in the f/book saga water under the bridge, now I gotta get me a gallery a happening again ..... ;D hey little bennie bro we changed ph details again PM me and I'll pass on the new no. geez bro judging by the activity in the posts have you been busy !! Beddie on !!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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O.K. guys time to think outside the square, when hot rodders are building a rod that came out with a dicky seat and they want to turn it into a boot they are going to need hinges that open "out and away" so your hinge needs to be shaped like the letter J, Hank from Street Rod Services in Rockingham ended up making his own for the rear door on his 1934 Ford Sedan Delivery and it works very well, so Google some hot rod shops to see what they have, I've had some good dealings with Timic Hot Rod Supplies so I would start there
Regards
Petrolhead
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Landrover Mk1 rear tailgate hinge! ;)
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I made the hinges for my gullwing side and back doors, they are a ? shape
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if ya turned that upside down dave and put another beside it it would be the sameshape as the wifes butt, PEARSHAPED haha ;D